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Windows 8 uptake remains listless after public launch

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  • Started 4 years ago by raphoenix
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raphoenix
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Full Story
http://www.computerworld.com/s.....2012-11-01

Maybe it's because this is not working again today ????
http://windows.microsoft.com/e....._FPP_Light

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germ-x
Posts: 5310

Did you really think otherwise. Now if MS will give a tablet with every purchase maybe sales will jump up.
A $15.00USD upgrade, they must want it out the doors fast.

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Superevil
Posts: 175

When they release SP1 to add back the Start Menu I'm sure the sales will increase

Posted 4 years ago
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gedstar
Posts: 521

Just posted the below in relation to another Windows 8 post on this site.

germ-x, I think a agree with you that the OS has been pushed out the door, as there seems to be still a few issues with the OS in relation to bugs, my experience below

"Just an update on my Windows 8 experience, last night got the my first BSOD, well it's actually different from the normal BSOD's you get with other Microsoft OS's, it's actually quite humorous, you get the blue screen with a SAD face and an error message, just put this down to a once off. Actually happened after a reboot. Well after rebooting Windows 8 again tonight got the dreaded BSOD again. Reboots and work fine again, but couldn't really depend on Windows 8 at the moment.
Not sure what is causing this, could be a driver incompatibility, although I did download the latest drivers for all my hardware and updated all my software.
Needless to say I re-imaged my PC back to Windows 7, Thank Buddha for the Image I created before installing Windows 8. I think the OS still contains some bugs that need to be ironed out, so will hang on until there's an SP1 out at least, never had any such issues with Windows 7 with the same PC.
Wonder if any other people have experienced these BSOD's in Windows 8 yet? "

Posted 4 years ago
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raphoenix
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$5.00 fixes the Windows 8 Start Button OR you can fix it for free from what I understand.
http://www.stardock.com/produc.....rchase.asp
http://classicshell.sourceforge.net/

No way to know because I can't get an Upgrade Copy of "8" cause the MS site don't work !!

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germ-x
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Just wondering how long it's going to be before all computers are shipped with Windows 8.
Hopefully they won't try and shove it down the consumers throat. I like Windows 7 and we the consumer should have a voice when purchasing a new system.

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raphoenix
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It's hard to say because the computer OEMs are going to look out for themselves FIRST before they jump over a cliff.

Due to world recession, Hardware sales are down so there are many legal entanglements and unknowns facing businesses and consumers.

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warlock
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Just a thought here but, I think that Windows 8 will be on all the new OEM's once the 7's are sold. I see a big black friday and holiday push for W8.

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raphoenix
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Windows 7 still appears to have a very long, long life span.

QUOTE
Forrester's Johnson said his firm's numbers were similar, although it posed the question differently to enterprises.

"We asked 'What are you deploying now on new PCs?' and enterprises are saying the 76% are deploying Windows 7. But 16% are still going with XP," said Johnson.

"When we ask them what they'll be deploying 12 months from now, their answer is Windows 7, with 60%, Windows 8, at 26%, and Windows XP, 3%," Johnson continued. "But enterprises are notoriously optimistic about future deployments, so I'd say that by the time it reaches retirement, XP will still be on 15% to 20% of PCs."
UNQUOTE
http://www.computerworld.com/s.....t_dead_yet

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LadyFitzgerald
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Dell has said they will continue to have models with Win7 on them. A few others have said they will have a few Win7 models.

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StringJunky
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I wonder how long the W7 iso download links will be available for now that W8 is out?

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raphoenix
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Good Question Tony.

AND what happens to the Download Links when SP2 for Windows 7 is released ????

BEST to have Several Installation Media of Windows 7 SP1 Made and Stored !!!!

However the problem will be just as was with XP.

The OEMs will "Deprive" machine device drivers for Windows 7.

Builders will not face such driver problems for many years if history is an indicator of the future.

Posted 4 years ago
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StringJunky
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I was going to d/l other editions of W7 just in case but found out I don't need to. I found an Image Edition Switcher and another that turns the disk into a universal version where you choose at installation time. Can get them here:

http://code.kliu.org/misc/winisoutils/

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oldgeezer
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If you go to PCWorld/Currys (in the UK), all of their stock on display is now Windows 8, the only stuff that isn't is 'ex-demo' and some netbooks. Just speaking to some of the staff there is quite amusing as they obviously know the shortcomings of running it on a non Win8 touchscreen, but the poor s**s still have to try & sell them. Needless to say the store wasn't exactly heaving, even though it was half-term holiday.

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germ-x
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So that means if you purchase a new system say 3months from now you might have to pay extra for a downgrade install of Win7.
I have one Dell came with Vista but had to pay extra for WinXP to be installed on it.

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marks100
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hi guys great topic just popped in to say thank you and il be on the forums soon btw dont forget with Christmas comeing i thing that will be ms push for sales
mark.

Posted 4 years ago
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mitilini
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İ was just reading this,may be of interest to some http://www.askvg.com/fix-windo.....28AskVG%29

Posted 4 years ago
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ProstheticHead
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@Tony. All you need to do is extract your .iso, locate and delete the file 'ei.cfg' then rebuild your .iso and burn/mount.

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StringJunky
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PH

That's good to know cheers mate. :)

I dare say I'll get W8 just so I can help people with it even though W7 ain't broken in my opinion.

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raphoenix
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I'll try to get the Win8 Upgrade today again from MS site for the same reasons as Tony posted.

Sure hope that CC# isn't going to some rogue site as the MS process hasn't worked at all for me in over a week. :(

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SuperTweaker
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It's catastrohic on M$ for not allowing the Start Menu/All Programs to be an option in the Control Panel. I predict this OS will go belly-up for Desktop and Laptop users around the world. The youngest generation may like it but hey, they are on iPhones and Smart Phones all day texting their brains out! Most could care less about using a PC for work and gaming. But those kids between 12 and 22 who do enjoy gaming will march those W8 computers back to the store for a refund then buy a W7 computer online - the one's remaining. Best best for any gamer is buy a package deal online and build their own PC and be sure to order a W7 Home Premium DVD (and guard it like gold).

Yep. A really dumb idea by M$ that will get swept under the rug like Windows ME did in 1999. phuuu on you M$.

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oldgeezer
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Just tried the M$ site as it says that the download is only £24.99, but it started going through the process as if it was going to try upgrading my system immediately. Has anyone gone further with it & does it let you download an iso or whatever for later installation?

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raphoenix
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BUMP

IMPORTANT QUESTION !!!!

I need answer also just as <oldgeezer> does.

Where are the Members who are now posting all over the forum getting their Win8 from ????

Posted 4 years ago
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vistamike
Posts: 10945

About time we started closing some threads

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ispalten
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I got it via REGISTRATION for an UPGRADE... with a link to MS. Both the $15 and $40 USD offer for 2 systems I registered. No matter which you use, you get to see a purchase screen for $40, and on the real price screen you get to enter the PROMO code from the e-mail. If it is a registered system purchased before June 1st this year, that code drops $25 USD off the price. You can then d/l an ISO, pay $15 USD more to get a DVD, or burn it to a Flash drive.

Then all you need do is run SETUP from the created DVD and off you go.

This is for a W7 Upgrade.

Irv S.

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gedstar
Posts: 521

Hi oldgeezer and raphoenix

I was able to download it using the windows upgrade assistant from here
http://windows.microsoft.com/e.....-windows-8
Once it's downloaded you can choose if you want to continue with the upgrade or install later, I selected install later and was able to save the ISO to my hard drive. Then I use this
http://www.microsoftstore.com/.....vd_dwnTool
to install the ISO onto a USB key.
Can know install from USB key, only takes about 15 minutes for the installation.

It's just a pity I got 2 BSOD's in 2 days after installation, so went back to Windows 7 until a SP1 comes out for Win 8

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raphoenix
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THANKS ALL !!!!

Was finally able to get the Win8 downloaded and saved as an ISO. :) :)

One note of caution !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The Update files download to:

C:\Users\Your User Account\AppData\Local\Temp\xyzxz123-1b23-789e-1234-778cc8ea566c\WebSetupExpanded\

Do NOT Clean that Temp Folder Out by mistake using Ccleaner or such.

Best move the total Directory to a Safe Place if you want to make more ISOs.

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raphoenix
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There is also a C:\ESD\Windows\Sources folder.

As I said above, until I can fiddle with the system, not sure how this is going to work on a Builder Machine and do a Clean Install.

Rick P.

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ispalten
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Where it goes to is a FUNCTION of the settings in your BROWSER. I've changed my Browsers to always place files into my K:\InetDL folder. What you have Rick is the DEFAULT location which is in the TEMP folder.

Irv S.

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raphoenix
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Yeah, that makes good sense instead of specifying things manually as there are so many updates happening now. :)

Not sure if the Win8 C:\ESD is included in the ISO or not so therefore don't know what to do with the ESD Folder.

I need to Factory Restore a Set of SSDs and then do a Real Clean Install but still not sure how the Win8 Update works.

Don't want to mess up a set of $200 Buck SSDs with a $15 dollar in-place Upgrade for sure.

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ispalten
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@Rick, I have NOT given much thought about 'restoring' the W8 system other than my normal Ghost solution (which HAS a W8 problems that 'annoys' me, you can NOT license it, says it can't be used, what bothers me more, the Upgrade Adv. didn't know this would be a problem, but for W7 it knew it would, and it appears Norton is unaware of this too?).

Got to look around to see if RECOVERY/RESCUE disks can be made, but some is 'buried' within W8 where you can go back to a clean system. Not sure if you can do a clean install from the upgrade media though? Something I have to figure out soon to be safe. I'd hate to have to put on W7 and then do the Upgrade.

Never got asked for a license number? Might be inside the image for upgrade already or it used the same as the old W7?

Still holding out my W7 until Norton fixes Ghost but the problem I had on the New Dell was cleared by doing a System Restore to the Install state. Weather and all Live Tiles now work correctly. Have to put things back slowly to see which update broke it. Suspect a Dell file... I've done the MS Windows Update and the chipset update that I had fail before went on. That was a file I got from Dell the last time and installed before doing the Windows Update... Dell had 7 drivers to be replaced.

Oh, speaking of System Restore, since I had Ghost working on W7 and didn't want extra writes to my SSD C: drive I disabled System Restore on W7. My SSD on the system is 128GB's in size and about 50GB's were in use. Well after the Upgrade it seems W8 always enables System Restore, which I guess was good as I could do the Restore and go back to the install state. It was less than 3GB's in size. Now I'm not sure I want to keep it active? At least for now as I'm not confident Ghost will allow me to recover anything, if one part is broken, who knows what else might fail?

Irv S.

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raphoenix
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@Irv,

Macrium made with AIK will do about what Ghost can do.

Am a bit annoyed with Asus for not providing updated MB drivers and thus having to search Intel all the time.

No one yet has posted if Windows 8 Upgrade will Clean Install From Scratch ????

I guess I'll have to be the "Goat" and fix it if it won't.

Not sure if SSD TRIM is passing through to SSD Raid 0 Arrays as bench marks are coming down.

Is a "pain" to have to Factory Reset SSDs about every three months.

A lot of work I can see coming.

I thought computing was suppose to be getting simpler - Man was I Wrong !!!!

Just ain't up to all the work needed to be done today.

Rick P.

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oldgeezer
Posts: 211

There's a useful post here by Ed Bott which answers some of the questions above, including mine:

Ed Bott on ZDNet

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raphoenix
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@oldgeezer,

The article is CONTRADICTORY as it implies one can Clean Install Win8 however cannot Dual Boot a machine.

If one is running multiple instances of Windows 7 on the Same Machine, then one can use the Bios and Dual Boot.

Builders are not going to destroy all the Windows systems on ONE Machine just use Windows 8 on it.

I started to reference that article yesterday but found too much contradiction with no emphatic answers.

Rick P.

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ispalten
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Not sure about contradictory? I'll assume the clean install is over the 'legal' W7 which is read by the install before the process starts. Keeping the old W7 and doing a NEW install to a clean partition IS NOT supported. The bottom line, you can't keep the old W7 around.

=================
Dual boot options

I just bought a Windows 7 machine and purchased the $14.95 Windows 8 upgrade. Can I keep my Windows 7 running and install Windows 8 on a second partition or in a virtual machine. The "Upgrade Assistant" looks for an existing OS so I could not figure out a way to do that easy.

Technically, no, that is a violation of the license agreement. The upgrade replaces the old license completely. The terms are written in very clear language:

The software covered by this agreement is an upgrade to your existing operating system software, so the upgrade replaces the original software that you are upgrading. You do not retain any rights to the original software after you have upgraded and you may not continue to use it or transfer it in any way.
==============

Seems CLEAR to me.... and the only mention of CLEAN was here (and in a comment that wasn't to 'clear')

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How do I get to 64 bit from 32 bit Windows?

There is no way to upgrade from a 32-bit copy of Windows to 64-bit, or vice versa. You must backup your data, create bootable media, and do a clean install. After you’re done, you’ll need to reinstall your programs and restore your data.
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So I'd say there is no way to do a CLEAN install? I never saw an option to FORMAT during the upgrade, but I didn't boot the upgrade DVD I made either?

Irv S.

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raphoenix
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@Irv,

Read again the article.

"Can I burn the download file to a DVD or a USB flash drive so I can use it as a bootable disk for formatting my PC in future and also guide me on how the serial key works in this case.

Yes. Choose the Install by creating media option (shown in the screen above). above Here’s what your options look like:"

=====================================

That has to be contradictory. :(

If true I can Clean Install on one Array and Bios Dual Boot Win7 on another Array on the same machine with Genuine License and Payment for Both O/Ses.

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ispalten
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Hmm, Rick? Not sure?

Might have answered only the first part, "Can I burn the download file to a DVD or a USB flash drive", or took the last part to be can I format a disk with it? Nothing said 're-install' W8 clean, other than the dangling " also guide me on how the serial key works in this case." which he did not answer.

Ed's a nice guy, had dinner with him probably almost 20 years ago, ask him <VBG>.

Irv S.

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raphoenix
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@Irv,

Ed's giving us a "hint" me think?

I know I'm going to be "The Goat" on this issue just cause I got the Big Machines which can do. <VBG>

I'll get busy tomorrow and see what happens.

Rick P.

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oldgeezer
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Also, wait for 'part 2' where he says he'll go through upgrade paths and activation issues.

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raphoenix
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READ ALL the Talkback Comments (5 Pages).
http://www.zdnet.com/the-ultim.....000006815/

This is suppose to work to fix the Activation Process.

set
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE/Software/Microsoft/Windows/CurrentVersion/Setup/OOBE/MediaBootInstall to 0
Run slmgr /rearm
Reboot
Run activation again

****Also in the Comments, Ed Bott says he's still testing the Upgrade because of all the problems evidently.

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raphoenix
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Windows 8 Upgrade Clean Installs FINE on a pair of SSDs running in Raid 0 plus can Dual Boot using Bios.

ALL Machine Devices Working Properly and Fast.

Setup time is about 12 hours if you have the correct tools and know what you're doing.

Can even boot straight into old desktop by passing Metro altogether if you want to.

Not going to use Windows 7 any longer and just keep an old image around.

This topic can be officially closed now.

"The Goat" has spoken !! :)

Rick P.

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Fhirkin9
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I had issues with a clean install of OEM Pro in RAID 1 with a pair of SSDs, so I had to reinstall Win8. After using the fresh install for 6 hours, the next day I could not boot to save my life. Could be my lack of experience needed to correct whatever was wrong, or a somewhat older mobo, I am not sure. In any case Win8 loves those SSDs!!! By the way, has there been a thread about booting right to desktop and bypassing Metro? Granted, a tap of the Windows key is all that u need to do to switch, but.....just asking....

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