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Tombaugh
Posts: 23

Hi everyone,

I'm doing a research report for my A+ class and I'd just like some input on your opinions of Windows 8 so far.
-Do you like the appearance and how it operates?
-Will you buy the full version?
-Do you feel it is an easy transition from your previous OS (and was OS did you switch from)?
-Would you recomend Winows 8 to your friends and clients?
-What improvements do you feel Windows 8 needs most?
-share anything else you feel is relevant to the topic.

Thank you for your time and any information you would like to share.
Lisa

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whs
Posts: 17584

There are tons of threads on the web where this is being discussed. Just look into the relevant Windows 8 forums. No need to repeat all this stuff.

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Shadowstriker279
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HI Tombaugh,

A friend of mine installed Winsows 8 once, but unfortunately she didn't partition it so it wiped out all of the menory on her computer as well as the old os and alot of the programs and features on it didn't work properly either . She finally got Windows 7 back on her comuter, but all her programs and files were GONE and she could'nt get them back from carbonite either. To put it one way I think that Windows 8 needs ALOT more work.

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Tombaugh
Posts: 23

I was using this section as more of a personal interview format for the paper, not my research. That's why I'm looking for opinions and only here.

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raphoenix
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This makes Windows 8 Acceptable for Conventional Work Place Environments.
http://classicshell.sourceforge.net/ 3.5.0
Mar 31st, 2012 - Version 3.5.0 is released. It adds support for Windows 8 Consumer Preview

Without This Change, the Windows 8 O/S is only good for Mobile Platform Users as it stands now.

Rick P.

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whs
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I did not make any change to Windows 8 (who wants a 'classic shell') and run it on a desktop and a laptop. It runs perfectly well and is a lot of fun.

The CP is fast, reliable and runs all the programs I installed. People who make the wrong installation (like this lady who did not put it into a seperate partition) are doing it to themselves. No wonder she lost all her stuff. She just did not know what she was doing.

On the laptop I installed Win8 on a USB stick. Runs perfectly and is amazingly fast (I used a fast USB3 stick).

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raphoenix
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whs
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Rick, this is a lot of garbage. Win8 is perfectly usable on the desktop. Don't listen to these morons. They are the same crowd that were bashing Vista. I bet some of them have never used Win8.

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raphoenix
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@whs,

Remember I'm the one that thought we should have a Windows 8 O/S Category and it was done.

As for Classic Shell, I have ALWAYS used the program because of the "Fly Out" menu system.

As for Windows 8, so far I have found it Awkward to use on the dining room table with a mouse & 24 inch Display until Classic Shell was updated.

I don't have a Tablet Touchscreen PC so really can't evaluate the Win8 O/S as MS wanted us to.

Rick P.

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Tombaugh
Posts: 23

Whs:
You use Windows 8 from a USB, do you have a touch screen or a mouse set up?
What OS are you comparing it to when you say it is amazingly fast. How does it improve on Windows 7 or Vista for what you use it for?

Rick:
In your opinion Windows 8 is awkward from a physical stand point in the mouse/touch screen difference or are there other awkward factors?

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whs
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I have no touch screen. Just a 22" desktop monitor and a 15" laptop where I run it from the stick. On the desktop I run it in Virtual Box where it boots in 8 seconds. From the stick it boots in 38 seconds (from event 100 in event viewer).

The performance I compare to Windows 7. I still have a couple of Vistas, but they are on older sytems. All my Vistas and Windows 7 run on SSDs.

Don't let anybody tell you stories. Windows 8 is a great system. I am running it since September 2011 and I am completely comfortable with it. We have to consider that these are not final versions. So some applications do not yet run very well. But that will be fixed. They are not going to ship defunct applications.

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raphoenix
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Tombaugh,

This article sums up my feelings of Awkwardness in Windows 8 pretty well with the Exception of dual displays.
http://www.pcworld.com/article....._hate.html

I'm not a good one to ask because of Disability; have to use a Large Mouse in my Right Hand and Type One Fingered on a Keyboard with my Left Hand.

Also I have been working with Electronics and Computers since the 1960s so I always have a [ healthy ] skepticism of anything new.

Rick P.

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whs
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This is a typical example how a moron would operate:

""To open the Metro start page, for instance, you drag your pointer to the lower left corner of your screen. A thumbnail image of the start page pops out. My instinct, honed by thousands of Flash interfaces on the Web, is to move my pointer into the popup and click. But in Windows 8, If you do that, you actually click whatever icon beneath the popup window your pointer happens to be resting on. In Windows 8, you have to keep your pointer off screen while you click. This change is easy to learn intellectually, but harder to make instinctual, given the years of conditioning we've had to do the opposite.""

A clever operator pushes the Start (WIN) button.

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jmeeks49
Posts: 631

i will try it..

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Sarris
Posts: 189

From my previous post:

What is it going to take to get MS to understand that there are a lot of us who want just a plain old operating system. No games, no media center, no built-in browser or e-mail, no geegaw, just a plain old operating system. We really are smart enough to install the stuff we need. And NO, we don't want to go to MAC.

It strikes me that it would be a fairly easy thing to do (as outsiders are already doing, IE XP Lite, from the past). It's not like they don't make a pile of other versions anyways? It seems like all I do is monkey around with crap I don't need or want, trying to get a working professional operating system. Just install and give me a black screen with a taskbar, and I'd be ready to go.

Now, W8. I had it on a VM for a couple of weeks and it SUCKS!!! Geez, what is going on? Are 16 YO kids writing this shit or what??? Look, I'm 55, I don't use smart phones, tablet, PS, Fackbook, or any other of the kiddie crap they have forced on us.

I WANT A SIMPLE PROFESSIONAL OPERATING SYSTEM. MANY OTHERS WHO ARE ON A COMPUTER ALL DAY DO TOO! ARE YOU LISTENING MICROSOFT??

The above is really what 75% of users think, so.....who is the moron here? I think it's the sheople that accept this piss-poor product without comment.

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raphoenix
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Where is the (WIN) key ??

I think Sarris is Correct !!

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Sarris
Posts: 189

Rick, you make me laugh...................

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whs
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Sarris, how do you know that: ""The above is really what 75% of users think"" -- did you survey the over 1 billion Windows users. Most people I talk to like Windows 8. I have even presented Win8 at my computer club and all members thought it was easier to use than Windows 7. And those folks were ALL older than you. A youngster like you should be more open minded to the modern world. I am 20 years older than you and like progress.

For users with reduced requirements like yours I can recommend Puppy Linux. No superfluous function.

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Sarris
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Well, I guess an old man like you has all the time in the world to screw with totally useless stuff. I, however, don't. WORK. I do work all day on my computer and I give less than a damn about all the gee-gaw and crap. And EVERYONE I talk to (not scientific, mind you) hates it. Most IT pros hate it as well.

Also, progress is a forward movement. Windows 8 is backward, confusing, and setup for tablet use. I have a desktop computer with a mouse and a keyboard. It takes double the clicks to open programs and I don't have the time to waste.

I want what I stated above. A black screen with a task bar. I can handle the rest.

I'm done.

PS: Screw Linux!

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ispalten
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The fact of the matter remains when you remove all the 'personal' feelings from the issue is a simple one and one other caveat.

Can MS build a system that can be maintained and still work across many interfaces and devices?

Can or will the end-users be able to easily navigate and switch operational modes?

The first is imperative in terms of support. One set of source code, one fix, albeit, there could be many branches in the code to support different systems. Single source allows fixes to be made to all versions easily.

The last one is really end-user training and resistance. Are users 'willing' to switch how they operate. Can MS make the look and feel be seamless between mouse/keyboard, touch screens, and mobile devices, both phone and tablets?

One major change now is 'no close button'. You just don't end tasks/programs. You 'switch away' from it and the OS will 'kill' it when need be. Are the millions of mouse/keyboard users going to 'like' this and easily adapt? Navigation IS different, but I'm confident 3rd party developers will 'fix' that.

Of more importance are the 'new things', like an apps store. Also will W8 create new h/w sales where touch screens become the norm?

Lastly, what is it IN W8 that will make people to want to switch? Or will this be 'forced' on you when you buy new computers?

Think of Apple though... they have computers and phones and tablets. Each sort of works different, or I should say the desktop/laptops vs. phones and tablets. No forcing one on the others. However, Apple does have to support more than one OS. Who is right here, Apple or MS, and don't forget the other fringe players today as well.

This is all about 'dominance' and 'where the money is', nothing else.

Irv S.

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Sarris
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I think MS has their head up their ass.

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ispalten
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Sarris, I don't think so, at least not in the planning for the future.

The posture is correct, one code source, runs on everything. The implementation, that is something else. What one can do with a finger or fingers isn't always going to translate well into mouse and keyboard methods.

Look back though... DOS, we all knew how to issue commands and run the rudimentary DOS executables. Today, this is done via the GUI mostly. How many times do you see people post here how to run DOS commands? People FORGOT.

Win3.x was the first 'real' windows, the first 2 and some other vendor tries were just that.

We've moved forward. We've changed the way we compute.

The real question isn't 'one size fits all' but 'can it'?

Irv S.

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Sarris
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Yeah Irv, I know. I just find that the computers in general are becoming toys, not a tools. I want my computer like a toolbox. I want lots of storage space but nothing in the drawers until I put it there. And I want to pick the tools, not someone else. I also don't like it when the drawers are full of non-removable tools as well.

And no, one size doesn't fit all.

Now I'm done.

Sarris

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raphoenix
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I found the (WIN) Key, got a "boot manager missing" notification.

I think Sarris is Correct !!

@Irv,

Windows can't force anything on anyone, WPA, WGA, etc.... is all volunteer stuff.

And who gives a "flip" about an Apps Store ??

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warlock
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My opinion only, have been following the thread. I did not install W-8 but looked at the demos and other posted info. I agree with Sarris about the toy comment. That is what happened to cell phones also. All I want to do is call someone or text. No apps no internet, hard to get a plan without those. Some of the people at work might as well carry around a notebook as big as the phones are getting. Again as Sarris said, give me the computer and let me choose what I want in it.

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ispalten
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Rick, "And who gives a "flip" about an Apps Store ??"

You are kidding, right? MS does!!!! Have you ever heard 'it is the apps stupid?'? That is what sells. I don't care what you think about ANY tablet, but what is the BIG differentiators between Apple and other tablets. THE APP STORE!!! And it IS a money maker for Apple and the vendors. Yeah, Apple has a TIGHT control on what the apps are and do, but that is what makes the difference. It isn't the volume either, but the QUALITY.

MS needs the APP STORE to be as good as or better than Apple's or they will have a hard time cracking the tablet market.

Have any of you actually used a tablet? Different animal from a PC, but other than the OS, one can do the same things. Some better, some worse, FAR worse. A tablet, and a phone, are finger devices mostly. Apple now has dictation on the iPad's, good for short e-mails (with some possible edit corrections), and it removes on headache or the need for a keyboard for some.

MS has competition, and they have to do something or the company could be in trouble. Even the model they use for Work and the office suite has changed. Some driven by competition, some due to a new model to retain the revenue stream.

OS's usually have an evolutionary step as they go forward. Think new file systems, or new h/w supported. What will W8 support that is 'new' or contain. No, changing apps and how they work doesn't count.

If everything was 'even' and you had all the apps the same on every OS, people would use what they want, Apple's, Unix variants, Windows, etc. but it isn't like that. You've both got invested apps, training, knowledge, and h/w that has to be supported, and you only have one path to do all this. Yeah, some can 'leave' Windows and do all they want, but not the greater masses of users. We're 'captured' unless we WANT to change.

No, you can't get a computer and choose what you want. That is backwards. You have to decide what you want and then get the computer that delivers that. What you want drives what you use (oh, I think were back to the apps?).

Irv S.

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raphoenix
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Irv,

You forget, I KNOW all that stuff since I've been into electronics and computing since the 1960s.

I was speaking to the Apps Store from a Builder point of view.

The days are FAST approaching when I will HAVE to use a Tablet to communicate.

The very thought of being ripped off even more by MS and Apple is so depressing
that I'd rather not even think about the subject.

Rick P.

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whs
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Rather than continuing with these doomsday scenarios and general unhelpful comments I think we should discuss where you guys see problems.

I have worked with Win8 for over 6 months now and have not yet seen anything that I could not do. All my applications that I have installed run - even rather major ones. All my system settings can be done, all the system functions I use work and are very easily accessible. So what is missing.

The few additional applications that they put on the CP I just ignore. Most do not work very well yet anyhow. But I am sure they will fix that until RTM. And what is wrong with additional choices. Nobody is forced to use that stuff - but other people may want it.

So specify where you have real problems and we will see how to solve those. That would be a positive approach. And people who have only seen videos of the system and have not really worked with it should obstain.

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youknowita
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for me, widows 8 is so far, my OS is vista. .......

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ispalten
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Whs, I do have it installed in a VM, may not be a good indicator, but most of it works. I think Rick has it installed as well, natively.

First of all, I'm a firm believer in that a program, and to me W8 is a program, I use should be intuitive and I should have to read documentation to use it. W8 fails on this as it doesn't work like Windows does.

XP had a Media Center Edition. Reminds me of W8 to some extent. However, one could just stop starting the Media Center and you were running XP Home. I've not figured out how to make this happen in W8, but have not tried too hard nor looked for 3rd party apps to do this.

To me, Metro apps are geared toward user that are not using mice and keyboards for running.

Irv S.

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Tombaugh
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Great info, a little hot at times but great info.

So, why if you are are so experienced in this sort of electronics/computer building do you expect MS to build your dream OS? If you like the idea of an empty tool box as I'm sure others would, build it and they will come. Sit on the sidelines and complain about what is on the shelf and they will just pitty you and walk away. I think Sarris has a great idea, for some.

I agree with whs, to live is to evolve, to evolve you have to get out of your element and really make a go of something new and different.

I've been a computer USER for 20+ years, but being a woman, I felt like an outsider when I asked newbie tech questions. Now I just ask, time is precious and I want to know.

This is VERY helpful for my opinion section of my research report. I thank you ALL very much for your honest input.

Lisa T.

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whs
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Lisa, this is a classic discussion between people who like and those that don't like. The ones who like usually have some decent experience with the product and have tried all angles. The ones that don't like usually go by hearsay (remind you the MS Mojave project with Vista).

I can deal with people who have genuine questions after they tried a product and discovered some hard stops - or what they think is a hard stop. But people who only voice opinions and rant are no serious didcussion partners - especially when it is obvious that they know nothing.

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Veegertx
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Gosh I missed this.
Want me to get out of a shell i've been in since Win 3.1? I Agree with Sarris. There are some want an OS to come up with taskbar and none of the junk. Win 8 looks like something for those that need lead by the hand. Yeah I have a technet subscription so have the latest and am not impressed.

And as usual who the crud they have making background images a 3 year old? That is one sick looking fish so I'm modding dll's and replacing them images to see if I can make it bearable.

raphoenix classic shell link is only thing makes Win 8 bearable for us old geeks. least till I figure out how to do it myself. Why do they not give us an option for Power User?

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Tombaugh
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Well I thank you all for the input it was ALL helpful and I got the A I was after.

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raphoenix
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Classic Shell (Redux Post)

Version 3.5.0 Supports Windows 8 !!

http://classicshell.sourceforge.net/

Enjoy !!

Rick P.

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