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Paula90
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I've been having a lot of trouble since I bought an new SSD and wanted to change from my old HDD to this new one.
I don't have a lot of space in the new drive so I can't simply clone it.
I would like to put the OS and a little extra software and games on the new one and keep pics and docs in the old one.
Any help? If it is of any use I have two SATA ports and an extra HDD.
Thanks!

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whs
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1. Make a data partition and move all your user data there.

2. Make sure the C partition is the active partition. If not, copy the bootmgr to C. Here is how.

3. Format and align the SSD. Here is how.

4. Make an image of C and restore that to the SSD. Make sure there is less data on C than the capacity of the SSD will hold. For imaging and restore see here.

Note: If you download and burn the WinPE .iso from my skydrive, you need not install Macrium. You can make the image and restore with the CD. Imaging with the CD is exactly the same as with the installed Macrium. And for the restore, you need this CD anyhow.

TRY NOT TO PRODUCE THE WINPE CD YOURSELF FROM WITHIN MACRIUM. IT WILL TAKE YOU SEVERAL HOURS.

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Paula90
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Thank you so much!
Now do you know if there is a way for me not to reinstall all the programs
in the old drive and keep them there in another partition or even in another drive?
so that when I am using the SSD for OS it can like "know" its program files are in the other drive

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whs
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If you transfer the OS with an image, the whole OS will be on the SSD - including the program files. It will be like it was the minute you took the image.

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Paula90
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ok, but what i meant was how to i put the program files in another drive and have the OS know they are there but not in the same drive

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whs
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a) Why would you want to do that. It takes away the performance advantage of an SSD

b) it cannot be done in 20/20 hindsight. For new program installations you could direct the installer to install the program files into another folder on another drive. Works for most programs.

c) what is your problem. Why do you want to go thru such elaborate setup. The whole OS belongs on the SSD and it should easily fit on even a small (e.g. 30GB) SSD including a lot of programs (not big games though).

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Paula90
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a) because there are a lot of software that i don't care about running that fast
b)ok
c) sorry, I'm very very new and I didn't know that my process was that complicated

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whs
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a) programs do not take a lot of space. I would not worry about a few programs more or less. Keeping them together is the best - believe me.

c) the process is not complicated if you know the steps. Tell me how big is your SSD and how big is your C partition right now including the user files.

PS: There is an easy way to move your OS with the Partagon migration tool. It costs $20. Does it in 3 clicks.

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Paula90
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c) SSD is 111 GB and HDD OS (C) partition size is 372 GB and 216 GB used which 40 GB are of Documents that I'm already moving

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whs
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There must be a lot more stuff in C than the 40GB of Docs. How about Pictures, Videos, Music. Move all this stuff out.

The OS should not be more than 30GB if tuned and 40GB if not tuned.

Questions:

1. How much RAM do you have
2. Would you be willing to spend the $20 for the Paragon migration tool or would you rather do the migration the geeky (more complex) way.

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Paula90
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a) there is, its actually 216 GB including the 40 in docs, I have no pics or videos and thanks for reminding me about music.
1.- 8gb
2.-geeky way, I have no way to spend money in the web :/

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whs
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With 8GB of RAM we can already save 14GB by eliminating the hiberfile and reducing the pagefile to 2GB (I do that on all my systems)

ad a)the 216 GB minus 40GB of docs minus the OS still leaves at least 130GB+ unaccounted for. What is this stuff. You better run WinDirStat to find out. http://windirstat.info/

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Paula90
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using WinDirStat ill tell you what happens

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whs
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Just for your info - have a look at my Windows 8. My C partition is barely 40GB and I have over 21GB free.

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Paula90
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it is mainly bsa files, avi and mkv files of movies that i have to move and dll,sb,sys,temp,csd that i don't know what they are.

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Paula90
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deleted avi and mkv files
25 GB less

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whs
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So a lot of videos. I thought so because they can take up a lot of room. Forget the system files (.dlls, etc) those have to stay. The temp files you should eliminate. Run CCleaner: http://filehippo.com/download_ccleaner/

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whs
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What are those BSA files. They could be from some games or some compressed archive files. You know anything about those.

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Paula90
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the temp file is 14 GB and its World of warcraft file, are you sure nothing will happen if i delete it?

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Paula90
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and bsa are skyrim and wow

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whs
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A temp file is a temp file and should be temporary. I am not a games expert but temp files can usually go.

PS: It's past midnight here. We'll continue tomarrow. And don't worry. I have done those migrations many times. For myself (I have 7 SSDs) and for friends. It may sound intimidating, but I'll break it down into simple steps for you.

In the meantime try to get this C partition to a maximum of 80GB. You will need some breathing space and the SSD should have 20% free space for Garbage Collection to function efficiently. If you don't quite make it, we'll get it from the hiberfile and pagefile. That's 14GBs.

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Paula90
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ok, see you tomorrow, ill be here by 3 :D Thank you so much

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whs
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I am back. Give me an update on how much you have left on C at this time.

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Paula90
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150 GB
without documents or videos or photos
only programs
no music either

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whs
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That is still far too much. It is probably your games. You will have to uninstall those and reinstall them once you are on the SSD and direct them to a folder on the spinning disk.

PS. What is 3PM for you. In what time zone are you. I am in EST

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Paula90
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hour = UTC-6
do you know how to uninstall my games but keep the progress?

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whs
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No, Unfortunately I cannot help you with that. Never played a computer game in my life - not even hearts. Why don't you start a new thread and ask the question. I am sure there are some people that would know.

But those games have to go. Else C will not fit on the SSD.

So you are somewhere in the midwest (Central)

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Paula90
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ok so its 67 GB by now, what do i do next?

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whs
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Next you have to format the SSD (I assume the SSD is installed in your box - else you have to put it into an external enclosure).

Right click on the Windows 8 Start menu and click on 'All Apps' (on the bottom right). Here find 'Command Prompt' and right click on it. On the bottom left click on 'Run as administrator'.

Once the little black command prompt window opens, type or paste those commands one after another and hit Enter after each command. Make sure you use the exact command lines as shown. Command prompt is very finagle and will not work if you make a parameter or space mistake. These are the commands:

Diskpart
List disk
Select disk n (where n is the number that was given for your SSD in List disk)
Clean
Create partition primary align=1024
Format fs=ntfs quick
Active
Exit

When you are done with that, You have to take an image of your current C partition and the 350MB system partition. Best is to use free Macrium. Here is how.

Once you are done with that, post back and then we will get you the Macrium restore CD and restore the C and system partitions to the SSD. Don't bother to create the restore CD yourself. It would take several hours to make the WinPE CD and the Linux version is useless. I have uploaded it all ready made and we'll go with that.

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Paula90
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is there any other way to clone it or make it without cds? I dont have any right now :/

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Paula90
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i have already done the command prompt thing

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raphoenix
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Will the machine boot from a USB port ??

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whs
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You will have to put the image to some external drive or an internal partition which needs to be larger than 45GBs. You will not be able to proceed unless you have space somewhere for the image and a CD to burn the recovery WinPE CD.

The only other option I see is to do a completely new reinstall.

Post a screenshot of your Disk Management and we'll see what can be done with your internal disk.

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Paula90
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raphoenix
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@whs,

Might want to take a look at this because most windows 8 machines are shipped with GPT formated disk.

http://technet.microsoft.com/e.....25686.aspx

http://technet.microsoft.com/e.....25109.aspx

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whs
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Thanks Rick.

Paula, looks simple. Make a partition of the 299GB of unallocated space and store your image there. There should be enough room for about 7 Macrium images. So you can reimage your system from time to time before you have to delete any.

Once you have the image of C and the first 300MB system partition, you can restore them to the SSD.

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Paula90
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and how do I image my drive, with your Sky Drive Win PE? and how do I copy the other 300MB of the system partition .And restoring them? sorry but I really have no idea :S

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whs
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Just image both partition (check both partitions on the Macrium control window - but make sure the other partitions are unchecked). Here is a video tutorial that will explain.

In this tutorial you find also a link to another tutorial by Kado explaining the recovery process. All you really have to do is drag the 2 partitions from the image to the SSD within the Macrium recovery window - you'll see.

For both, imaging and recovery you can use the WinPE CD. But for imaging you can also use an installed free Macrium. The WinPE .iso you can download from here. Burn it to CD with ImgBurn.

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