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Windows 7 startup problem

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  • Started 4 years ago by Citizzen
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Citizzen
Posts: 16

Here is my issue:

My pc runs on win7,found and extra hard drive and decided to install it for more gbs.After installing the second hard drive which happen to have winXP on it,the PC started right away withXP instead win7.shut it down and took of the extra hard drive,tried to restart my PC and now Win7 would not load and keeps on restarting.Tried startup repair,system restore,bootrec /fixboot from the command prompt and nothing worked.thanks for the help

Just did rebuildbcd from the command prompt and it said total identified windows installations:0

Also win7 loads up for 5 sec you see the dots connecting and then it restarts

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scorpion99
Posts: 1033

when booting , try to click on F8 and choose : Last Known Good Configuration
If it doesn't work , try to boot with a Windows 7 DVD and do a system restore.

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Citizzen
Posts: 16

So I tried last know configuration,tried to boot with win 7 recovery DVD and it did some repairs restarted and the result was the same-windows still does not start.i actually put back the extra hard drive and installed vista on it so I can access the Internet ,so now I can open the files in the hard drive with the win 7 trough win vista.any other suggestions will be appreciated,thanks

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whs
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The bootmgr was probably on the XP disk. What you have to do is:

1. Activate the Win7 partition - e.g. with the bootable CD of Partition Wizard
2. Run Startup/Repair 3 times with your installation/recovery disc

Then set the BIOS to boot from the Win7 drive and it should work.

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Citizzen
Posts: 16

This might be a silly question,but how do I activate win7 partition?

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whs
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Use the bootable CD of Partition Wizard. highlight the partition > go to the Partition tab > Modify > you'll see.

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Citizzen
Posts: 16

Recovery cd and bootable cd is that the same thing?when you say modify is that the section where you see the startup repair,system restore and command prompt options?

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Citizzen
Posts: 16

I've done more then 10 startup repairs already and same result,only now when it starts it gives me an option to choose vista or 7 and on Win7 in brackets it says (recovered) which aperantly is not since still does not start.
Is there a way to fix the bootmgr from the command prompt option if maybe that's causing the problem.

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whs
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You can do 100 startup/repairs. If the partition is not active, it won't do anything. Why don't you just do what I posted.

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Citizzen
Posts: 16

I though I did,can you explain it a bit better,is the bootable cd same as a recovery cd cause I only have a recovery cd?

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whs
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Does "Partition Wizard" sound like that. http://partitionwizard.com/par.....le-cd.html

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Citizzen
Posts: 16

Ok,thanks ill try it in a bit and will let you know if I had any success

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Citizzen
Posts: 16

Ok,I made the bootable cd,opened the partition wizard,went to partition tab and then modify but the partition was active already.i deactivated it and then activated it again,run the startup repair 3 times then went in BIOS and made sure the drive is the primary device to boot from(it was anyways) and no result.

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whs
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Hmm, try a repair/install with the installation disk. Here is how.

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Bumpkin
Posts: 60

Since you already have the Partition Wizard boot disc try this: Boot and highlight the drive with Windows 7. Look on the left side of Partition Wizard and click on "Rebuild MBR".

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germ-x
Posts: 5310

Have you tried uninstalling your 2nd HDD? Like whs said your bootmgr appears to be on your old HDD. As long as that is installed you will have the same reoccuring problem. Once this is done you probably will have to do the rebuild MBR and maybe the Run Startup/Repair 3 times with your installation/recovery disc.

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raphoenix
Posts: 14920

@ Tom,

I've seen the (3) time deal you advised but don't understand where that comes from ??

Please fill me in. :)

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whs
Posts: 17584

Rick, see point #5 here: http://www.sevenforums.com/tut.....-boot.html

Greg is an outstanding MVP who has fixed a lot of systems.

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raphoenix
Posts: 14920

Ya Good Tips for sure. :)

Have you ever noticed that only the OEM machines have 99% of the failure to start problems ??

Very, very few Builders Machines ever have a startup problem unless a hardware component fails.

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presence1960
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I have noticed that Start Up repair sometimes needs to be run more than once to make repairs. Why I do not know, maybe it does not fix multiple problems at once or has a limit on how many issues it can fix at once

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presence1960
Posts: 280

Lol Rick. That's why I will never buy a computer. If for whatever reason I could not build one I would pay someone to build one for me.

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germ-x
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Rick, You know what causes most of the failures. That little 100mb partition.

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raphoenix
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You know I've always thought that if one purchased a a copy of windows and clean installed their Laptop machine after they purchased it, probably the machine would last for many years if they didn't abuse it. (Especially if they installed the O/S with only one partition on the hard drive)

Folks, for some reason, never purchase a copy of Windows when it comes pre-installed and that causes 99% of the problems with OEM machines.

(LOL) I posted before reading the post above. Slow Typing -(LOL)

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whs
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You have to run startup/repair 3 times because it fixes only one of those steps at each run:

bootrec /FixMbr
bootrec /FixBoot
bootrec /RebuildBcd

Theoretically you can also run this via cmd, but that only works if you reboot after each step.

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presence1960
Posts: 280

can't argue with that Rick. I hate the OEM manufacturers for other reasons as well. They use some really cheap PSUs. And some of them have that damn removable cage that only holds one, maybe two hard disks if you are lucky on their desktop machines.

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whs
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g-x, You can get rid of the 100MB partition if you do this: http://www.sevenforums.com/tut.....sybcd.html

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raphoenix
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I say just Clean Install a new OEM Machine when you purchase it, no need for fooling around with Easy BCD.

Treat it like you just built the machine yourself. :) :)

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whs
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But if you do a clean install, make it into a predefined primary, active partition. Then you also get away without the 100MB system partition. But the end effect is the same as if you moved the bootmgr.

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raphoenix
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Ya, that's true.

Just a hint, responders need to study GPT Disk / UEFI Bios Machines as all windows 8 machines now are shipped in that configuration.

All the info and utilities are up on MS TechNet to make tools.

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whs
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Speaking of a real pain.

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raphoenix
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Ya, you can run Windows 8 on a regular MBR Disk HOWEVER the Machine Bios must have plenty of settings.

I don't think the OEM machines are going to have all the EFI Bios Settings that a Builder MB has so they will be a pain for sure when it comes time to fix an O/S.

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germ-x
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whs, I agree with you most times but if I have a choice I'd do a clean install with one partition. The EasyBCD would be only if I had a disk full of applications and didn't want to reinstall everything.
Since EasyBCD only copies the files to "C" I had given some thought into using it then making an image without the boot partition. Format the HDD then recover the image onto the HDD without the 100mb partition

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whs
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Yeah, thats one way of doing it. I always copy the bootmgr to C for preinstalled systems. Then I make an image, exchange the HDD for a SSD and recover the image.

PS: I wonder whether our poor OP is still alive. I think we totally confused him.

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Citizzen
Posts: 16

Removed the second hard disk and now i only have my old one with win7,I did the "rebuild" MBR and now doing the startup recovery.The first time it gave me a message "startup recovery cannot fix the problem automatically",doing it 2more times so let's see.

I actually tried all the bootrec commands(including boot sect/nt60 all) with the command prompt yesterday already with no luck.

My PC actually came with vista years ago,but after I bought it I put clean install of win7 and upgraded the RAM,the win7 got from Internet.Never had issues till I decided I know enough to mess with it, apparently I was wrong...

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Citizzen
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Second time,same result-it says startup repair cannot fix the issue automatically

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Citizzen
Posts: 16

Third time was the same,fourth time it said it could not find any problems.the PC still does not start though.any other suggestions?
How is a installation DVD better then recovery cd if you have to repair a start up issue like mine or they both do the same thing?

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raphoenix
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OK, what do you want to do ??

Clean install ??

Do you have a Full Installation Copy of Windows 7 ??

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Citizzen
Posts: 16

I don't want to do clean install,if I did I would have done it 2 days ago,I want to get the current win7 up and running that's all.right now my PC's hardware is back to the way it was before I had the problem,but won't start.tried also to reset the bios by taking out the battery on the motherboard,but no result.

Found another forum where specifically was said if you install XP and have win7 your win7 won't start after and they suggested to use bootsect/nt60 all in the cmd to restore the missing boot loader and I did that as well-didn't work...

I'll do it again now cause I think when I did it I still had both hard drives(I mean the bootsect/nt60 all)

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Citizzen
Posts: 16

Failed again

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raphoenix
Posts: 14920

How much Important stuff do have on the HD ??

Do you have TWO HDs are just two Partitions on one HD ??

https://www.howtogeek.com/howto/windows-vista/use-ubuntu-live-cd-to-backup-files-from-your-dead-windows-computer/

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Citizzen
Posts: 16

I have two partitions so I will not loose any files,but all the programs I have installed and settings.if I put the other HD I have vista on it right now and it works fine and I am able to access the HD with the win7 installation trough the visa and also move any files if I have to,but my goal is to save the current win7 and all it's settings

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Citizzen
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I just noticed another thing,on the startup recovery shows me I have 3 drives:local C local D and Boot X(which is about 31mb only),any idea what is the X,and on the cmd when I do the commands is under x:\windows\system32
Isn't it suppose to be under C not X for the cmd to have effect on C ?

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Citizzen
Posts: 16

One more thing,why on cmd when I do C:\>bootrec/RebuildBcd command
It says scanning all disk for Windows installations
And then it says "Successfully scanned Windows installations.
Total identified Windows installations:0
The operation completed successfully"

How come it does not find the win7 installation?

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germ-x
Posts: 5310

Since you made a copy of Partition Wizard before put it in and boot from it.
Look at that "X" drive and see what is on it.
You might also be able to repair your MBR since you have removed your old HDD.

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