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drifta
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Whats the big deal about intel core i7?

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raphoenix
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New generation of socket 1366, 45 NM, Intel CPUs available for ATX boards now.

Specs and comparisons.

http://www.intel.com/products/.....t_ci7+more
http://www.intel.com/products/.....y_corei7ex
http://compare.intel.com/pcc/d.....ture=en-US

Available for Laptops after Christmas as fabs are converted for manufacturing.

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madmacs
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Have a read of this drifta and tell me it´s not love at first sight, lol

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drifta
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its 2.10 here in aus atm. i will be sure to read all the above documents tomorrow and let you know my oppinion on i7
good night

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JadeEmperor
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"Nehalem (familily) processors code-named Bloomfield (Core i7) have four physical processor cores and a triple-channel DDR3 memory controller."

:-O

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raphoenix
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This is why my advice for the past several months to Builders has consistently been to wait until December / January.

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0zSpitt
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who'll spend $570 on it? most people would buy an entire computer for less

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raphoenix
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@0zSpitt,
The 1366 CPUs will come down in price as LGA 775s inventory depletes and Intel manufacturing Fabs switch production.
Be patient as the complete transition always takes about a quarter.

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madmacs
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My Asus P6TDeluxe is in the post (an early X-mas present for myself.) I can´t afford the i7 965 (plus a new tower) yet but I thought may as well get started, save up for 3 months and hopefully as Rick says it will have dropped price by then. I can´t wait to see this baby in action.

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0zSpitt
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if it performs like it says i'd pay for it (when it comes down). i'll make it my next build with the antec skeleton.

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raphoenix
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@0z,

Read some Trade Paper Reviews (Not Paid Reviewer Sites and they said the Antec Skeleton Case?? Frame is one of the most versatile and practical pieces of hardware ever invented for the enthusiast builder especially if one adds the extra parts to the Frame.
Think from my readings you have picked a real (Winner) but darn is it ugly. (LOL) (LOL) (LOL)

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madmacs
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Actually I quite like the thing too, was wondering whether get it or not. It must be one hell of a dust trap!!! But you can´t get more air to your parts.

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raphoenix
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@madmacs,
Yes it kinda sorta like my old joke suggestion of just laying out componet parts of a build on a table and blowing a 3600 RPM 30 IN fan on everything. (LOL) (LOL) (LOL).
BTW: Old suggestion (DOES) work but not very practical. :) :) :)
Better to at least have a frame.

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madmacs
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@raphoenix, rofl, but i guess if you took that 30 IN monster and placed it over the skeleton it would solve the dust problem, no chance of anything settling then, lol

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raphoenix
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@madmacs.
Well, if one thinks about the Frame, it is much easy to keep clean with a can of compressed air than removing the sides off of a tower and trying to blow air into the nooks and cranny's of a conventional case. :) :)

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madmacs
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@raphoenix, very true!! The only other thing that has me worried is having a little child at home, I don´t want him frying himself (sorry, english sense of humour!!) I´d have to put the case well out of his reach, mount the thing on the wall or something.

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raphoenix
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@madmacs,

Not any worry concerning high voltage in a computer except if PS had some quirk which I've never heard of happening.
Larger issue of child or pet breaking something in Frame.
Be innovative, mount Frame upside down to ceiling like old tradition in our home of mounting Christmas Tree to ceiling upside down. :) :) :) (lol) (lol)

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drifta
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i read the reviews and all i can say is "I WANT ONE!!" im willing to pay $562 USD which is more like $800 AUD thanks to the recent share market plunges.i ve been wanting to upgrade my 1 yr old dual core 2.66ghz into something more powerful and i think i have found the perfect item...

there planning on making an 8 core chip?? WOW thats going to be crazy.

there seems to be and interesting convo going on here between madmacs and raphoenix and i totaly get that english sense of humour madmac. keep it coming.

cant wait for i7 to be released here in AUS which is usually a month or two after the US :(:(:( =(

i guess i should start savin up sooner rather than later.

have a goodnight fellaz

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raphoenix
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drifta,

Remember, when you say upgrade, you are really saying making a New Build.
The CPU socket is 1366 and will require a new X58 chipset MB among other new components.

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madmacs
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Not forgetting three of these!! It´s going to get nice n´pricey, lol

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raphoenix
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@madmacs,

Yes in these world wide very hard economic conditions, I didn't specify "other new components" in my last post.
Hopefully the inventories of older components will clear through the supply chains and the OEMs can switch the Fabs over sooner so prices will come down however it may take longer than usual due to the harsh economic environment.
Memory is fungible like oil so spot and futures prices in the memory markets very daily.

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madmacs
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@raphoenix, i gathered you didn´t forget to mention the memory, I was just expressing that with the top i7, a good mainboard and blazing memory it´s going to be (as you stated) a bit more than a mere upgrade!! I´ve been waiting for DDR3 prices to drop for a few months now here in Germany but there´s nothing much happening at the mo :( DDR2´s got cheap as hell, DDR has dropped and since gone sky high again, feel sorry for people with old mainboards. I guess the only good time to buy DDR3 is when DDR4 arrives, lol.

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raphoenix
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@madmacs,

Yes, this is going to be a tough transition due to recession. Us Regular Folks just don't have money to spend on "extras" or nice to have items.

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0zSpitt
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with what i've been reading with windows7 will this make a big difference in performance on a lighter OS? would it be like over clocking and just checking email on linux?

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raphoenix
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@0z,
That is a very good question which I have thought about also.
If I were to build a new i7 machine; what O/S would I put on it ????
XP is too old with no new drivers.
Vista has too many problems and is too squirrelly.
Linux, even with wine, couldn't take advantage of all the new hardware features.
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I would be sitting here with a Very Expensive Super Build with NO O/S because Windows 7 is way down the road.
One would certainly want to use a 64 Bit O/S but no good choice exist at the moment.
Something to think about; that's for sure !!!!

Rick P.

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0zSpitt
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newegg has i7 for $299, rut-row!

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drifta
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@Raph
i would use vista ulti x64. vista does have a few problems here and there but overall it is a great OS, the divers would be fairly new and will be able to take a lot of advantage from the new hardware. once windows 7 arrives i would be thinking about changing os's by then though im sure much better hardware would be out there.

i just realalised that upgrading to i7 would cost a lot more than $539 USD since we will have to buy the new motherboard and ddr3 ram which hasnt dropped prices in a century as stated by madmac.

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raphoenix
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Yes but add together MB, plenty of DDR3 fast memory, CPU, Fast SAS HDs, Sata HDs, Case/Frame, 1000 Watt PSU, and ALL the Rest of the components including Video Cards, new monitor, etc., etc.
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Remember all my network equipment is "shot" and just being held together with spare parts which are running out.
Haven't done a spread sheet estimate yet but just "guessing", new Build could be $3000 and might approach $4000.
A close to 3.0 Gig CPU is a $1000 bucks at the moment but will come down in pricing as I state in above postings.

Rick P.

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drifta
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well just last year i purchased a dell machine for 1900 AUD about 1500 USD at the time and i was thinking about upgrading the dual core 2.66ghz processor to i7 but i may now have to scrap that idea as there is no way i can afford to buy the cpu, motherboard and ram. that alone will cost approx 1500 AUD.
guess ill just be sticking with my dual core for atleast another year ot so. i might upgrade my graphics card to 9600 or 9500 sometime in the coming months

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raphoenix
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@drifta,
Yep; we are all looking at a complete new Build now as there is no upgrade path with the new i7 release.
Tis the same old way Intel has ALWAYS done business.
Remember the 386, 486, P1, P2, P3, P4, Rambus Ram, Different Sockets, etc., etc.....
Intel is just a year late with this (complete change) from their History and what the Trade Papers say. That's All.

Rick P.

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ScottW
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Hey, gang, I don't want to derail the discussion of Core i7, and all that, but how do we know that Windows 7 will be a miracle cure for all of Vista's ills? I haven't done a lot of research, but from what I have read there is little information coming from Microsoft on Win7, but tons of speculation from the trade press. Won't Win7 be built on a Vista / Server 2008 foundation? I don't see how they could make the 2009 release date if Win7 discarded all Vista code and was built from the ground up. Does anyone have a reliable source for how Win7 will differ from Vista in ways that will make it's adoption rate better than Vista's dismal showing? Inquiring minds want to know.

Also, how is it that Intel's i7 and Windows 7 both ended up at the the same iteration at the same time? Is it coincidence or collusion? I can see the ads now: "Windows 7 works best on Intel's i7 technology", or some such.

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raphoenix
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@ScottW,
You and I must read the (same) articles and Trade Press because indeed Windows 7 is supposedly being built from Vista foundation code. Also Microsoft is crashing the schedule of Windows 7 for the earliest release date possible so we will probably indeed see the advertisement "Windows 7 runs best on Intel i7 technology".
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Think the OEMs may also be inclined to drop "The Vista Ready" lawsuits if Microsoft and Intel can push both the 7 generation hardware and software out the door pretty close together.
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It behooves both companies to reinforce their balance sheets in this recession so one can bet there is much discussion between the two parties behind closed doors.

Rick P.

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madmacs
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From what I have read to date it seems as if Windows 7 is definately built around the Vista kernel. Let´s face it, it even looks the same. Apparently changes are being made to the background activities (only running when neccesary) making it not so hungry on system resources.

There was even one quote from someone at Microsoft that stated Windows 7 should be able to able to run smoothly on a 1Ghz Processor with 1GB ram, aimed at Netbook use like the Eee PC (Yeah right!!) From tests that I have seen based on the beta, it actually uses 10MB ram more than Vista after a fresh install. (530 MB Vista to 540 MB Win 7).

On the positive side, seeing as it is based on Vista, Windows 7 should (I state should) be stable from day 1. There won´t be as many driver and software related problems and I´m expecting the 64bit architecture to be mainstream by the end of next year. It´s been around long enough now!! I have just changed from 32 to 64 and must say I´m quite pleased with results. This time last year I had tried Ultimate x64 for the first time and it was an absolute nightmare, not so now!!

As for the i7, well there´s even rumours that Intel may bring out another processor with 1160 pins (LGA 1160) for the mainstream next year!! As I said these are rumours and I can only think they will be cheaper to fabricate if they are focused towards the mainstream (whatever that means!!). Personally when I get my i7 (965) setup together I am sticking to it for at least 2-3 years. It has enough power, with the DDR3 memory to take any game/program in it´s stride. I can´t think that anything will come out over the next few years that will want me to change my mind. Unless ofcourse Windows 8 comes out with a 128bit architecture, lol !!!!

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drifta
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"Windows 7 is definately built around the Vista kernel". windows 7 (as far as i know) is supposed to offer improved boot times in comparison to Vista, as well as various other performance enhancements. there are also many new features that make it easier to connect to both home and business networks. In Windows 7 there's a capability called Direct Access. this is supposed to allow people to more easily connect to their corporate network. we no longer have to VPN. "On the positive side, seeing as it is based on Vista, Windows 7 should (I state should) be stable from day 1. There won´t be as many driver and software related problems."

it is a rather weird coinsidence that intels i7 and windows 7 have the same iteration. one does really wonder if it is coincidence or collusion. i guess well jsut have to wait and see what happens.

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