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what does anyone like about windows7 ?

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0zSpitt
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just wondering? i'd rather read positives...

Posted 8 years ago
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Scott
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Just the positives, eh?

In no particular order,

Speed
Lack of compatibility issues
A better UI
Explorer seems to remember settings
UAC more customizable
The new Control Panel
The new customizable Tray

To name a few.

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raphoenix
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Positives:
Stability - NO BSODs.
Hardware Drivers Are Offered During Updates.

Negatives:
TBA

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taybay
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The updated user interface is just great. And the explorer is more functional. I still have to learn all the tricks (like shaking windows to minimize other windows) but once I learn them all I'll be set.

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drifta
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id also liek to add how explorer rembers what you have previously oppened and alows you to directly re-open that without having to navigate ur way. this is also evident in other programs. its like the recent itmes list as been moved to the individual programs itself making life alot easier.

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whs
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Everything is great, except the taskbar - that sucks. I want my minimized WMP controls and my Quick Launch chevrons back. Fortunately they left "Links" because I use that a lot. But I had to find a few hardware drivers. That may have to do with my virtual partition setup. Performance in the virtual partition is nearly that of Vista on the real system - but then W7 is Vista light. There is nothing in it, not the 179 programs I have installed in Vista. Just looked into my startups, they were blank except for the few programs I have downloaded myself.
Now that I have my printers and my files shared with the host and I can access the USBs, I am really happy with the virtual partition setup. With one click I can switch between Vista host and W7 or even work on both at the same time. E.g. whilst W7 is downloading something I can write a letter in Vista. Or run my webradio on Vista whilst working in W7. What more can a man ask for. Here is a picture of my setup.

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bingojubes
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the background can now switch pictures on an interval of our choosing! no more extra wallpaper switcher programs!

did install faster

does look decent - new layout will take some getting used to

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rocky6190
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When i first installed Win 7 i thought,great a new taskbar, is that it!!!!

Then as i used it more frequently i have to say i like ALL the new features, including the Libraries in Explorer which for some reason not many people seem to like.

Sry to go a little off topic, but whs, what image size is that in your post (i insert an image earlier into a post of mine and it nearly blew up the how to geek website it was that big)

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drifta
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hey whs, could u plz post how you setup the file sharing from host to VM and how u enabled printer sharing and also how you managed to get the usbs to be detected in the VM please. i would really appreciate that.

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aboljamajem
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ican only say its wonderful

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whs
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@Drifta, First I need to tell you that I am using VirtualBox now. It is a little better than VPC which I have also installed, but I now use it only for certain tests.
For sharing, you have to first enable the Home Network in W7 and then the usual sharing options in Vista.
For the printer, go to Devices and Printers at Start and "Add a printer". You should see the printer at the host. From here, it is just a few installtion mimics.
For the files, go to "Network" and you should see the Host system. Double click on that and at least the "Public Folders" should be visible. I used that to move stuff around. Theoretically I should be able to get at all folders, but I did not yet get that far. I just use "Public Folders" as a carrier.
For the USB, you have to go into "Settings" of VirtualBox and enable them (double click on where it says USB in blue print). In VPC there is no USB support (as far as I can tell).

@Rocky, I usually use 640x480. 15" if you want to show detail, it's a little bigger. I do the "resize" in Photo Bucket. And I always snip my pictures in .png. It is a better quality.

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drifta
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thanx whs, ill take a look at virtual box sometime in the next couple of days.
for now you seem to be the expert on virtual box so you might have to help me out with enabling some of the features but ill see how i go with the instructions u provided me. whish me luck

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whs
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Drifta, don't worry. I'll help you any time. But Virtual Box is really easy to set up. I prefer it by far over Virtual PC 2007 from MS. It has more and better capabilitis. I run both for studying the differences, but VB is my Windows7 test system.

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lilsting10
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@whs: I have the Windows Vista Home Premium 32-bit OS; is Virtual Box only avaliable to the 64-bit OS? The website's download page only lists the following versions:
* VirtualBox 2.1.0 for Windows hosts x86 | AMD64 (only on Windows x64!)
* VirtualBox 2.1.0 for OS X hosts Intel Macs
* VirtualBox 2.1.0 for Linux hosts
* VirtualBox 2.1.0 for Solaris and OpenSolaris hosts x86 | AMD64
* VirtualBox 2.1.0 Software Developer Kit (SDK) All platforms
* VirtualBox older builds

Also, what is that 'QuickLaunch-looking' thing you have on your Windows Sidebar, the 5th gadget down, called? If it is something like quicklaunch-on-sidebar i'll be a happy man.

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LH
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VirtualBox 2.1.0 for Windows hosts x86. Click on the x86

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whs
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llsting10. As LH said, go for x86, that is 32bit.
The Quick launch thing on my taskbar is "AppLauncher". A really neat feature that I use all day long. I launch 80% of my progrms from there with 1 click. It is on my gadget Window, if you don't have it there, use the on-line search. There you will find it for certain. If you need tips how to set it up, let me know. But it is pretty simple. You need to have a folder with all the shortcuts on the desktop (or wherever). But the shortcuts need a safe repository.

This snip was for a different purpose. But you see the AppLauncher on the top in second and third position. No idea why I have it twice.

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InDiSent
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Like Drifta was saying, i too like the way Win7 remembers things. When i click on the Orb then mouse over VmWare the sub menu opens with a list of recently opened VM's. I love that. Before i would launch VmWare Workstation then pick which VM i wanted to launch. With Windows 7 i can launch the VM i want right from the start menu.

@ Drifta - Are you using VmWare Workstation? What version? The file sharing between host and VM is automatically turned on, just drag from one to the other. To verify just click on VM then settings > click the Options tab then look at Guest Isolation...enable drag and drop and enable copy&paste should be checked.
As for the USB devices, just click on VM (on the file-edit-view toolbar), then removable devices.

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whs
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InDiSent, is there a (legal) way to get my hands on a free copy of VmWare. Would love to try it out and add it to my collection (see here.)

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InDiSent
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you can use VmWare Player. It will let you play VM's from some other apps, but i wont make VM's.

http://www.vmware.com/products/player/

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whs
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Thanks InDiSent, I got that far. But for the real thing one has to dish out $89 I think. The player is not really what I want.

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InDiSent
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yeh, Workstation has way more functionality.

Posted 8 years ago
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BigMaryHinge
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I found this link for VM Portable version, I've not tried it personally so not sure if it's legal or not.

Edit by mod. Sorry. That one's not legal either :(

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jd2066
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whs said Everything is great, except the taskbar - that sucks. I want my minimized WMP controls and my Quick Launch chevrons back. Fortunately they left "Links" because I use that a lot.
Those are some fairly minor problems to say the taskbar sucks.
The WMP controls are still there, you just need to right click on the WMP icon to access them.
As for Quick Launch chevrons, they didn't seem to work that well in the first place so I don't see the issue.
The new taskbar pinning, start menu pinning or pinning to a gadget work much better from what I can tell.

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0zSpitt
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mine quit working, it won't connect to the internet and says the lan driver isn't supported by the operating system.

Posted 8 years ago
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LH
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And, very, very hopefully, the next incarnation of Windows, will be :- Base Module (kernal) $x, each additianal module (I.E.,WMP, etc) $x.
Works for me.

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whs
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jd, Quick Launch is a major function as far as I am concerned. I have currently 27 program shortcuts parked there and I use it to launch those programs all the time. But now that I have fixed it in W7 and got my chevrons back, I am pretty happy with the taskbar. I don't know why you say that the chevrons did not seem to work that well. I never had the slightest problem with it.

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LH
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I too use Quick Launch all the time. Hate to see that go.

Posted 8 years ago
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whs
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LH, go here, in case you have not enabled it yet.

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Scott
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LH
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whs
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Hmm ya, forgot abou this one.

Posted 8 years ago
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raphoenix
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Still trying to come up with an answer to the topic original question.

Maybe in a couple of months I'll think of something .....

Regards,
Rick P. :) :)

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0zSpitt
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lol rick, i can't even use it to answer my own question.

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LH
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I can't even remember what my question was :)

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whs
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Oz, try to run in a virtual partition. Then you get the support via the host.

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0zSpitt
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whs, i just did that, how freaky! it still wouldn't connect even when i had it search for the drivers on c drive which are there because i'm here. it's beta, no big deal...

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raphoenix
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Is that a question or a speech ?? :)

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whs
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Oz, you have to enable it in VB. See my post here on the same subject.

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jd2066
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whs said Quick Launch is a major function as far as I am concerned. I have currently 27 program shortcuts parked there and I use it to launch those programs all the time. But now that I have fixed it in W7 and got my chevrons back, I am pretty happy with the taskbar. I don't know why you say that the chevrons did not seem to work that well. I never had the slightest problem with it.

I did not do a good job explaining my point. I'm sorry for the confusion.
The Quick Launch toolbar and the chevrons work perfectly well in Windows XP and Windows Vista, in fact for many years I used the Quick Launch toolbar to launch shortcuts, I even used Free/True Launch Bar to get sub folder support so I could just click "Favorite Apps" for example to get a popup menu of options, this way I could have many different folders each with their own popup menu. I had found earlier that I could use the Links toolbar to do that but then my Links toolbar in Internet Explorer could not be used for Favorite Links in Internet Explorer.

The reason I said I didn't like the Quick Launch was because the Quick Launch itself without any extras like 2 or more popout folders was quite limited in function and thus I understand why Microsoft removed support for things like the Quick Launch and floating toolbars in favor of Start Menu pinning, Taskbar Pinning and Taskbar Recent Lists. I also understand why they removed the Media Player toolbar in favor of commands in the right click menu of the Media Player button.

The new methods are quite a bit more flexible and by removing support for older methods, it gives them a lot more time to focus on creating and improving the new methods.
I think the biggest problem with Windows XP and Windows Vista is that Microsoft didn't want to rock the boat so to speak by removing older things the classic start menu, the Quick Launch, etc. when those methods weren't very good and/or flexible to begin with.
I think all the complaints about Windows Vista has made Microsoft realize they need to just remove features like the Quick Launch to move forward with replacements like Taskbar Pinning without worrying about people who love the old ways as it just lowers the quality of Windows as a whole when no matter what you do, there will always be complaints about Windows from tons of people on this planet.
Based on I've read, I wouldn't be too surprised if most the people complaining about Windows XP, Vista and 7 were actully little green men who came down to Earth to cause trouble :)

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whs
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jd, your point is well understood. I am the last one who would fight progress. I guess I would have to figure out how to park all my little system utilities like Process Explorer, CCleaner, Revo, WinPatrol and the other 23.

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jd2066
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@whs: Right, I figured so. I was simply pointing that saying the taskbar "sucks" when it's just the fact that some features were removed that "sucks" is incorrect and a little misleading to say on a public forum.
It's no big deal though. I just wanted to know what you meant as I was a little confused as to what you thought "sucks" at first.

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whs
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jd, as you know since a long time, I am using the English language a little loosely at times. Sorry for that. I am sure you would have a similar problem in my language. The subtelties sometimes get lost.

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funjman
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I was able to get it to run decently on my older acer 9500 laptop. I have used the same laptop to run xp "normal operating system for it" also beta tested and loaded vista on this pc. I have been beta testing windows 7 on this machine. No much to do comparisons on however it seemed stable on first install. But I have noticed a number of issues with windows 7. I have been using vista for a while and it just seems to be an update on vista. Then next gaming and multi media box I build might be done when windows 7 comes out I am actually up in the air as to do it with windows 7 or vista.
I will say that I do not care for the libraries. One of my many feedback to Microsoft was that they should allow users to customize the documents, pictures etc buttons on the right of the start menu. It isn't hard to do but I don't see with the number of people wanting it why they haven't done it.

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jd2066
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@whs: Indeed though as I only know English, I would have many other problems speaking your language :D

@funjman:
Quote I don't see with the number of people wanting it why they haven't done it.
Just because many people want it doesn't mean it's a good idea.
Here are some of the reasons I know of from reading Microsoft blogs why the things like the Start Menu are mostly fixed and un-customizable:
1. For most people, it's not needed. There are far more important peaces of code to be written like for the kernel so it's not worth their time to bother with.
2. Microsoft wants to have an interface with Windows that people can learn once and then be able to use other Windows systems based on their knowledge of other ones.
Making things like the Start Menu, Themes and others customizable just causes confusion when newbees use multiple systems.
They only made so many interface changes in Microsoft Office 2007 and Windows Vista/7 because they thought it was needed to continue adding to the user interface.
Microsoft was hitting to many limits with the GUI concepts of menus, buttons, dialogs, toolbars, tray icons, classic Start Menu, etc. and decided that a new user interface was needed.
I think that with the changes in Windows 7, Microsoft has reached most of their goal for that and the interface should stay the way it is for a quite a while.
3. Any option that Microsoft has can be abused by people who either think they know what is best for the user or has a malicious intent.
Microsoft made Windows 95/98 quite customizable and it was abused.
The wallpaper setting is changed by malware a lot.
The favorites folder was designed so that other programs could integrate with it but instead is used by just about every good and bad program out now a days.
The desktop, start menu root folder and quick launch are just folders so any program can create shortcuts in them. Things like those were only designed for shortcuts created by the user. Instead a ton of programs fill them up with shortcuts to them selfs when you install them as those developers think their program is so great you should have a shortcut to it everywhere.
So in Windows XP, Vista and 7 only pinning/small changes can be made to the start menu and in Windows 7 the quick launch is gone and only taskbar pinning is allowed.

I could go on and on about why the interface changes were needed and what is less flexible due to it being abused in the past but I don't have the time.
In short it just boils down to necessary progress for the future of Windows.
I don't really like the fact that you can't customize the Start Menu either but certainly can agree with the reasoning behind it.

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raphoenix
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@jd2066,

One thing which concerns me about Win7 is that I never found a way to put the GUI in Classic View Mode.
This may have been my fault as I didn't have any documentation or books but tried all I knew.
Another item of concern was that the Beta appeared to be slow.
By this I mean there was no "snap" or "quickness" in it.
Here again having no documentation, I didn't know how to tweak it properly I guess.
Maybe these concerns will be addressed in the Final Release of Win7.

Best Regards,
Rick P.

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whs
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Rick, I find W7 to be very quick, even in the virtual partition - and I have not even yet put it on my "big" system because that is in Germany. Could it be a lack of muscle in your system?
And why would anybody want "classic" view? The functions are all there in the W7 GUI - just a matter of getting used to the GUI (which is basically Vista). How long do you want to hang on to all this old stuff - and then there will be complaints about bloat. The fact that e.g. Vista has 2,3 or 4 ways to get to the same function makes it unnecessarily big. If they would cut all this old stuff out, it could be reduced by a good chunk. It's like having 4 of everything on a car - but you need only 1 steering wheel.

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raphoenix
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@whs,

I know one day I'll have to run my machines the way MS wants me to so am resigned to the fact and will accept the change with no gripes or complaints.
Was just mentioning some of the differences I noticed when I ran Win7 to test it.
I'm probably the only user in the world who likes Classic View and instantaneous O/S speed (Snap) but will overcome that legacy like I have always done in the past.
This old Machine Build has more than enough "muscle" to handle any 32 Bit O/S.
Next Build, if ever, will be a 64 Bit platform.
That is the future I think.
Best Regards,
Rick P.

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jd2066
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[ Note to moderators: Delete above post as it was not finished and I hit the edit limit by mistake ]
raphoenix said One thing which concerns me about Win7 is that I never found a way to put the GUI in Classic View Mode.
I'm not sure what you mean. If your goal is to switch between Aero with transparency, Aero without transparency, Aero basic or the classic Windows 2000 look then you can easily do so in the Personalization Control Panel.
Here is how:
For Aero with transparently: Change to one of the themes listed under "Windows Themes" and then you can change the Window Frame color if you want to by clicking the "Window Color" icon.
For Aero without transparency: Same as above only you select the "Window Color" icon and uncheck "Enable Transparency".
For Aero basic: Select the first theme under "Ease of Access Themes" to get it.
For Windows 2000 classic: Select any "Ease of Access Themes" except the first one to enable it. Then selecting "Window Color" will open the classic Appearence dialog to change it's colors/sizes/fonts/etc just like Windows 2000.

Sure, it's not really that obvious at first but for most users it shouldn't matter. Many users will just be buying new computers that will run Windows Aero anyways.
It seems to me that it's better the other options are under "Ease of Access Themes" as it should hopefully be less confusing to new users except that selecting a theme under "Windows Themes" will load Aero basic when the graphics driver and/or graphics card doesn't support it because Aero basic has a fixed blue color so it's a little confusing when you pick a theme with a certain Window Color and don't get it. Also when you have Aero basic turned on, selecting the "Window Color" option will still open the classic Windows 2000 color dialog which has no effect on the color of Aero basic.

It would appear in both Windows Vista and Windows 7 Aero basic is just to have something that is better then Windows 2000 Classic but just crippled enough that you will want to upgrade to the full Aero experience.
Which I think is an interesting tactic by Microsoft as it shouldn't have been much work to port the Windows XP style to Windows Vista and rename it Aero basic.
My guess would be that Microsoft's goal is to basically force everyone to use Windows Aero which eventually will be supported by every computer model including the low end ones and then Microsoft can remove both Aero basic and the classic Windows 2000 look in future versions of Windows.
Which is actually a very good goal as Windows Aero enables a lot of cool things due to all the graphics rendering being done on the Graphics Card Processing Unit (GPU) like:
1. More resources available to heavy CPU using programs as the work is off loaded to the graphics card.
An example of this is Taskbar previews, instead of the CPU displaying them which would take a lot of CPU to make the previews real time it uses the GPU to render them.
2. It enables many neat programs like Flip 3D (Bult-in), Switcher (Third-Party Program) and Video In Picture (Third-Party Program).
3. By requiring a good graphics card for Windows this benifets people who want to play videos, do video editing and play many of todays games.
Some manufactours were putting really low end cards in their Windows XP computers and that hampered the experience for many users.
Also the price of low end graphics cards released in the last few years are quite cheap so it doesn't really affect the price of new computers that much.

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raphoenix
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@jd2066,

Was speaking about Classic View Mode something like this example with Orb, Menus, Etc....
Never was able to more or less really duplicate this kind of screen in Win7.
Tried most everything you suggested but couldn't do it.
Sorry this Screen Shot is so poor but had to reduce down to fit into post area.

Best Regards,
Rick P.

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jd2066
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@raphoenix: Are you refering to the Classic Start Menu as a whole or just the flyout menu that it has instead of the menu that appears in place as part of the new Windows Vista Start Menu?

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raphoenix
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@jd2066,

Classic Start Menu as a Whole With All the Fly-out Menus.

That is what I could (NOT) duplicate in Win7.
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I didn't have a book of course on the registry so just tried what I could guess at.
Was frustrating.
I will install Win7 again if you can give me good directions on how to duplicate the above screen.

Best Regards,
Rick P.

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jd2066
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@raphoenix:
To my knowledge the Windows Vista/7 Start Menu never supported flyout menus like the Windows 2000 and Windows XP Start Menu did.
So when Microsoft removed the classic Windows 2000 Start Menu with Windows 7, I believe the flyout menus were then gone entirely.
I agree with this as I think the Windows Vista/7 in-place menu/search box is much easier to use then the flyout out menus though I can see how others could still like the old behavior.
From what I can tell it seems Microsoft's goal is to remove the need to use the "All Programs" listing on the Start Menu at all regardless of flyout or in-place menu with the usage of the search box, Start Menu/taskbar pinning, gadgets and other ways to get to installed programs.

I don't really agree with Microsoft forcing the way programs are listed or launched though as it's not a nice thing to force people to use your methods even if they are better in some ways.

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whs
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I hate flyouts. Especially in browsers - one reason I do not like Firefox. When I go thru a folder of URLs, I do not always want to renavigate 2,3 or 4 levels of flyouts to find the next one in that group. The IE is so much more practical in that regard - much easier to get back to where I was before.

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jd2066
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@whs:
Actully in terms of accessing saved URLs in a browser, both Firefox and Internet Explorer are mostly equal with just a few small differences like Internet Explorer calling them favorites while Firefox calls them bookmarks.
Since at least Internet Explorer 4.0 and at least Firefox 1.0 the following is supported*:
* Flyout menus.
* A sidebar to the left displaying bookmarks that can be displayed or hidden whenever you want.
* A toolbar that displays the contents of a certain folder.

Since Firefox 3.0 and Internet Explorer 8 they support:
Enhanced address bar that searches the bookmarks, history and other things to help you get to bookmarked locations.

* Most of these features were supported in early versions of Internet Explorer, Netscape, Mozila Suite, Opera and others too, I just don't know exactly which versions or what browser did what first. I just know that those features are standard in almost every browser out today.

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whs
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I have no problem with the "saving" part. I just don't like to "crawl" thru flyouts.

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jd2066
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whs said I have no problem with the "saving" part. I just don't like to "crawl" thru flyouts.
Indeed and I understand that, it was an error in my post to only say "saving urls".
I meant to say "accessing saved urls" and that no browser available today requires crawling thru flyout menus.
I have corrected my above post to reflect this, sorry for the confusion.

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whs
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OK, got you.

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raphoenix
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If knowledgeable folks think that searching for items is faster than menus, then will accept answer as all know I prefer a fast interface on a machine.
That's going to be a lot of searching but if method has been proven faster, will certainly learn to use it.
Hope I can memorize all the items to search for.
Best Regards and Thanks,
Rick P.

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jd2066
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@raphoenix:
If knowledgeable folks think that searching for items is faster than menus
That is only true in some cases, I did not mean to imply it always is faster then using menus.

Hope I can memorize all the items to search for.
This highlights one of the problems with the search at the moment, you will not always be able memorize everything and will have to use another method like menus instead.

That's going to be a lot of searching but if method has been proven faster, will certainly learn to use it.
I don't think this method has been proven to be faster in all cases and a lot of the time it is not.
I think companies like Google and Microsoft have gone a bit overboard in making search the primary method of access to information.
I know that search can help a lot of the time but there are also many times where only a search box will hinder one's ability to find things.

Ending Notes:
My point (that I did not clearly point out before) is that flyout menus are one of the worst ways to get access to programs and information.
Methods like searching are a lot better but still are not the whole answer.

Methods like the following work a lot better then flyout menus and searching a lot of the time (listed in order of newest to oldest):
* Taskbar Pinning
Displays Shortcuts (.lnk Files) in the taskbar all the time and share the same button space as running programs
Stored In Known Folder(s): UserPinned and ImplicitPinned
Supported in: Windows 7 Only

* Inplace Start Menu
Displays Shortcuts (.lnk Files) in Specific Known Folders
Known Folder(s): Per-User Start Menu, Per-User Programs, All-User Start Menu, All-User Programs
Supported in: Windows Vista and Windows 7 Only

* Start Menu Pinning
Displays Shortcuts (.lnk Files) from any location on the Start Menu that the user has put there
Supported in: Windows XP and Higher

* Sidebar Gadget Shortcuts
Displays Shortcuts in Sidebar Gadget from any location
Supported in: Any gadget that supports Microsoft Gadgets, Google Gadgets, Yahoo Gadgets, Apple Gadgets, Gnome/KDE Gadgets, etc. and all Operating Systems supported by those gadgets technologies

Here are a list of methods in older versions of Windows that Microsoft no longer recommends and/or supports in current versions of Windows:

* Quick Launch, Links and Others Toolbars
Displays Shortcuts (.lnk Files) in Known Folder(s): Quick Launch, Favorites\Links, Custom Locations
Supported in: Windows 95 with Desktop Update and Higher
Reason Not Supported: Has many limitations that are overcome by the supported methods and are not worth supporting anymore.

* Desktop Icons
Displays Shortcuts (.lnk Files) in Specific Known Folders
Known Folder(s): Per-User Desktop, All-User Desktop
Supported in: Windows 95/NT 4.0 and Higher
Reason Not Supported: A very ineffichent way to launch programs when you have many programs running that cover the desktop.

* Start Menu Quick Access Shortcuts
Displays Shortcuts (.lnk Files) in the root directory of the Known Folder(s): Per-User Start Menu, All-Users Start Menu.
Supported in: Windows 95/NT 4 to Windows Vista Only
Reason Replaced by Start Menu Pinning: This feature was intended to be used for shortcuts created by the user only but since it first came out this feature has been abused by just about every computer manufactour, software programs and malware known to exist. This is also a big reason that the the Desktop Icons and obove listed Toolbars are no longer supported.
Reason Removed: It has been replaced by Start Menu pinning and is not worth supporting anymore.

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raphoenix
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@jd2066,
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I think I understand.
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If you look at the old 2K/XP example screen, you can see that that each Fly-Out Menu eventually ends up to a link to a specific program application on the machine.
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The way I have the machine setup, the Fly-Outs do so (automatically) as the mouse is moved very quickly over them so it just takes (2) quick clicks to open and run any program on the machine within the menu system.
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In Win7, if one has to Manually PIN each program application to the task bar, seems like that would be a big mess constructing such.
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Notice the example quick launch bar with just a few items.
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Can't imagine everything on the machine PINNED to the task bar but guess it can be done.
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Likewise, creating a desktop shortcut link to each program application would really clutter up the desktop.
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Gadgets are fun, but I'm really not into Cute Internet clocks, calendars, weather, etc., etc.
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One little clock is fine and I pretty much know if the weather is bad outside. (lol)
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Have a loose leaf Cheat Book now with pages containing Shell Commands, Command Prompt Commands, Shortcut Key Documentation, etc., etc. so was worried that I will have to add more sheets for Search Commands or try to Construct some type of quick PINNED menu system.
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I guess MS has done research and knows best what the public likes so will deal with Win7 when the time comes.
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BTW: Still trying to learn the theory behind The New Boot Manager System so there are many challenges ahead.
Will be glad when there are some good books published on Win7 as that will make it easier than just experimenting.
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Best Regards and Thanks for the Explanation,
Rick P.

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whs
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Rick, you are a real "scholar". Keep us on our toes.

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jd2066
Posts: 3814

@raphoenix

If you look at the old 2K/XP example screen, you can see that that each Fly-Out Menu eventually ends up to a link to a specific program application on the machine.
Indeed, the issue is remembering everything.
Most people don't think "I want to write a letter" and then think I need to go to "Start Button -> Programs -> Microsoft Office -> Microsoft Word".
Only power users/geeks like you and me would make that connection and not all the time.
The important thing to relize is that many computers come with a ton of programs pre-installed and many users don't have a clue what Microsoft Windows or Microsoft Office even is.
Microsoft is stuck with the task of attempting to make it easy for users to figure things out.

The way I have the machine setup, the Fly-Outs do so (automatically) as the mouse is moved very quickly over them so it just takes (2) quick clicks to open and run any program on the machine within the menu system.
It's nice that you can set that up but many people wouldn't have a clue how to set-up the fly-out menus to work like they want too.

In Win7, if one has to Manually PIN each program application to the task bar, seems like that would be a big mess constructing such.
Indeed, it would be but Microsoft designs things like pinning for people who only use a few things like Internet, E-mail, Photo editing, Video Editing, Word Processing and a couple other things on a regular basis.
Usually it's just power users that want and/or need to run zillions of programs every day.

Notice the example quick launch bar with just a few items.
Indeed and the taskbar pinning is designed replace the Quick Launch and the normal taskbar buttons to save space and be more convenient.

Can't imagine everything on the machine PINNED to the task bar but guess it can be done.
No, I can't either but I have seen users with a Quick Launch that has 10-20 shortcuts in it which really shrinks the available space for taskbar buttons. Some users do this as they don't know of a better way and some users just get stuck with it because a ton of programs they install put shortcuts there they don't know how to remove.
Taskbar pinning helps this because programs shouldn't be able to alter the users pinned programs and the user can easiy pin a running program by right-clicking on the button and selecting "Pin to taskbar".

Likewise, creating a desktop shortcut link to each program application would really clutter up the desktop.
Indeed, the same thing as the Quick Launch can happen with the desktop which is in part why Start Menu pinning exists.

Gadgets are fun, but I'm really not into Cute Internet clocks, calendars, weather, etc., etc.
Those are not the only gadgets available, just the only ones shipped with Windows Vista/7.
If you look online there are gadgets that let you pin your favorite shortcuts to them. I think whs uses "Application Launcher V3" for Windows Sidebar and at the moment I use the included toolbar gadget with Desktop Sidebar as it works a lot better.
There is also a contacts gadget I use to see if people with Instant Messenging are online too.
The Clock, Date and uptime gadgets are quite useful too.

Have a loose leaf Cheat Book now with pages containing Shell Commands, Command Prompt Commands, Shortcut Key Documentation, etc., etc.
Ok, that works but someone shouldn't have to have a cheat sheet just to get a couple things done on a computer and thus why Microsoft is attempting new methods to store favorite programs.

so was worried that I will have to add more sheets for Search Commands or try to Construct some type of quick PINNED menu system.
No, I don't think you will. There is already a way to get the Quick Launch back in Windows 7 and a third-party developer will probably add a toolbar system to support the old way for users that want that. True Launch Bar may already do that, I'm not sure as I haven't tried it.

I guess MS has done research and knows best what the public likes so will deal with Win7 when the time comes.
Microsoft has certainly done research and hopes they know what the public likes but they don't always do as a lot of the bad publicity for Windows Vista shows.
There is really nothing they can do to make everyone happy.

BTW: Still trying to learn the theory behind The New Boot Manager System so there are many challenges ahead.
There is another topic entirely but one thing I can say for sure after dealing with the NT Boot Loader (NTLDR) that Windows 2000/XP had and the DOS/Windows 3.X/Windows 9X boot loader (which really really sucks), the Windows Vista/7 boot loader (bootmgr) is miles better in many many ways.

Will be glad when there are some good books published on Win7 as that will make it easier than just experimenting.
That would certainly be nice.
Most of what I know is from reading Microsoft help pages, Microsoft employee blogs, far to much search engine queries and way way to much experimenting.
The amount of experimenting I needed to do before I understood Windows XP RTM and then XP SP2 was far to much.
The same with Windows Vista.
Windows 7 just happens to have very minor changes to Windows Vista, most of which match what I read Microsoft's goal for Windows Vista was.
I think Microsoft really intended and wanted to release what Windows 7 will be as Windows Vista but they needed to get something out the door as it had already been 5 years sense Windows XP came out and what they had for Windows Vista RTM was quite good already, just not well documented so many people were not prepared for the changes it had.

Best Regards and Thanks for the Explanation
You're Welcome. I'm glad to explain what I know*.

* Or at least what I think I know :)

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