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  • Started 6 years ago by StringJunky
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StringJunky
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Given the frequency of people asking what the best security software strategy is wouldn't it be a good idea to put together a tutorial of what is currently considered the best products (free and paid). You could make it in categories according to function and then tell to people choose the options within each category. They would select one option from each of the categories to have reasonably comprehensive security solution. It could go something like this:

Antivirus: MSE, Avira, Norton...

Scanners: Malwarebytes, SuperAntispyware....

Dodgy Website Checker: WOT, Mcafe SiteAdvisor....

System Cleaner: Ccleaner....

Online Data Transfer Security: Rapport....

Imaging Software: Macrium, TruImage....

Others: ....

The above are just examples.

This way there is no argument what the BEST is...leave that to the poster to choose. They then become aware of the areas they need to cover and recommended products to have a good solution. We can then just link people to that when they ask.

Tony

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marks100
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nice one Sj good idea a sort of ''pic n mix '' as it were :) love this ..... Dodgy Website Checker nice !

mark. do they all interact with each other ? .. yes i believe they do :)

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GuiltySpark
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Interesting one Tony,

But I think that will be a long long list depending on what you wanted from a secure system. :)

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StringJunky
Posts: 2454

Mark

I didn't know what else to call the Dodgy Website Checkers! :)

Guilty Spark

I was visualising no more than 4 or 5 options in each category. Keep it simple...it's for noobs. The other major function I missed out was Firewall...That number of functions will cover most beginners requirements.

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raphoenix
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SpywareBaster should be on EVERY System no matter what ever else is running.

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ironstine1946
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Thanks Sringybark. I learnt one thing up there. And this is not a complaint !!!! but when people on here give a solution to a problem I wish they would put it in plain English. I sometimes go away just as confused as when I entered.I have friends that come to me with the printed answer and ask me what does this mean,Im as confuddled as they are.Im 64 and been on computers about a year and learnt a lot,but nobody know all that spiffle in some answers.Mr Heeadscrather ???

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nt0xik8ed
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ironstine1946, i made the exact same comment a few months ago. people coming here for help need simple answers not some big long tecnocrap answer that a seasoned geek would have to get a book out to understand. i'm afraid to send people here anymore. the last 2 i send just never came back. i think they went to yahoo answers, at least they understood the answers. also on another thread the commenter said he was so confused by so many different answers there is no way he could get his problem solved. luckily i've been here long enough to know who gives the good advice.

as rick said > Spywareblaster

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StringJunky
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Hi ironstine1946

What I put up there had some 'made up' stuff on it..so don't take any of it as gospel...I was just trying to illustrate something to people that know what I'm on about. I'm actually trying to make it easier for people like yourself to put together a simple security solution that you can choose between and find what suits you instead of being left up in the air with conflicting or vague advice in security terms. From what I can see now there will never be a consensus so it's a dead horse from the start.

As far as the language used for advice goes that's very much dependent on the style of the answerer...it's pot luck if you get it in a language you yourself understand...keep asking what things mean and declare your knowledge level from the start when you post is the best I say.

Tony

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raphoenix
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@nt0xik8ed,

Thanks for your confidence.

A major problem is that the Operating Systems and Hardware have become so complicated now that it is very hard to explain answers without getting into technical detail.

If something is really technical and requires much verbose write up, I usually will Just Post (Trust Me on This One) and try to give a short concise answer unless we are discussing deep specifications and such amongst us "old timers".

It really helps when OP postings include their level of computer expertise and also provides the exact machine name and model number that they are having a problem with which is usually easy for them to find on their computers.

Rick P.

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StringJunky
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Rick

Can it be done what I'm suggesting to cover beginners and people that just want to USE their computer?

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raphoenix
Posts: 14920

Tony,

Yes it can most certainly be done.

That's what "Best of Breed Sticky Topic" started out to be serveral years ago.

The trick is to have one member in charge of a Specific Sticky Topic so it doesn't become cluttered.

The member would have to be fair and include software they may prefer not to use but that is OK as long as the software posted is not harmful.

Rick P.

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StringJunky
Posts: 2454

Thank you Rick,

I have much respect for your opinion and if you'd said 'no' I would have believed you. :)

I think as long as a chosen 'suite' covers the most likely problems it doesn't matter that one AV is '3% better than the rest' as long as all the components evolve with emerging threats and imaging is the 'cure' anyway. A 3% disadvantage in making the 'wrong' choice is better than 100% confusion on the part of a poster who may well do nothing in exasperation!

Tony

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raphoenix
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TRUE !!

Rick P. :)

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whs
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This is a difficult subject. A lot depends on personal preference and experience. In the AV world there are "aquired tasts" - good or bad. Try to define what is the best wine or beer - same difficulty.

In my computer club we refrain from advising people on AV programs (other than the forementioned scanners). We just say:" that is what we use". But you need not go by us. That has proven to be a good strategy.

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StringJunky
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I would like Rick LH Whs and Mike to each give me a list of the software they use that is an integral part of their security strategy...if that's ok guys? :)

Antivirus
Firewall
Scanners
Imager
Any Others

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whs
Posts: 17584

NIS2011, SAS, WinPatrol and Macrium which is the most important in this bundle.

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vistual
Posts: 3135

vote +100x for...
SAS & WinPatrol
WinPatrol 's gotta be one of the best kept secrets for that type of use. Hardly ever mentioned.
: )

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StringJunky
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I agree Vistual, WinPatrol ought to get mentioned more often to reasonably knowledgeable users, it's been part of my toolkit for quite a while...it's nice to know what's going to happen next boot or try and sneak itself into StartUP. It's stopped one fake AV i know of from trying to pop up next boot. I think it's a bit of a geek tool though because a lot of the stuff it notifies about are ok things and you need the knowledge to differentiate so I don't think it's suitable for a noob.

whs

Thanks...do you use the Windows firewall?

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vistamike
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@StringJunky.
That is a fair request. The setup I have is exactly the same on the 3 systems I have.

Anti virus:
MSE 2.
Windows Firewall

Antispyware/malware:
SAS
MBAM
SpywareBlaster
WinPatrol

Cleanup:
Ccleaner
Defraggler
Back up is Macrium Reflect

On this machine which gets very heavy Internet usage (research and software download/testing), MSE auto at 6am. SAS and MBAM at least once a day.
I use McAfee and WOT in IE9 and FF 4.
Ccleaner after downloads and uninstalls (always with REVO).
I have not had a serious virus in two years or more.
I'm happy with the above setup, basically because for me, it works and the resources are low.
I back up every 3 days at present.
This does not mean it's perfect but it works for me.

Mike

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StringJunky
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Thanks Mike

Your security exactly mirrors mine.. the only additional thing I've got is Rapport.

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vistamike
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Sorry, forgot to mention that. Had it for some 6 months, on your recommendation I think!

Mike

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Drizzle
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"It really helps when OP postings include their level of computer expertise and also provides the exact machine name and model number that they are having a problem with which is usually easy for them to find on their computers."

How many times,I have seen this asked on here,really does make for a quick, responsive answer, and how many times I have noticed the OP, does not even reply....(what does whs say?(talking to the bin)Lol!!!!
BUT, the patience and goodwill of all members, always stands out,with even as some new posters saying"Daft Question"!!! nothing is daft if prepared to Ask and want to learn....

As Tony says a good list for beginners to refer,is very worthwhile...but sometimes people buy a computer for the first time,and just plug it in and go,it is only when something starts to go wrong they realise,a bit of housekeeping is required.......

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StringJunky
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Mike, That's snap then! :) My experience with this setup is the same as yours...more or less constant peace of mind.

Tony

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jmeeks49
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ok Guys a little help here right now i am running MSE CCLEANER AND SMART DEFRAG but what is winpatrol??? i thought it was protection for children for keeping them from harmful sites??? ah well i will google it.

john

Edit never mind lol

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vistamike
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Here is winpatrol download http://www.filehippo.com/download_winpatrol/

Mike

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StringJunky
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Mike

Another possible recovery option I've thought of although not as good as imaging is to schedule a daily registry backup with mzregistry backup to somewhere, preferably on another drive or partition, and then if a problem or attack occurs where you can't get into windows normally or can't use anything you can then go into safe mode and restore the registry by opening mzregistry backup there and using the Restore function. It doesn't accumulate copies, it just keeps overwriting yesterdays copy. Malware messes with the registry don't they? Everyday it asks to start a backup and I click ok and that's it. You could even put a registry back up on a flash stick.

Tony

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vistamike
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I should use mzregistry backup more often! It's one recommendation LH points out often. I rely on imaging.

Mike

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StringJunky
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You say you image every 3 days. You MIGHT just have something in there not backed up between backups which you want and it could bail you out. I rely on images as well but once set up Mz is no hassle and quicker to sort out some problems than image restore.

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vistamike
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I agree with that strategy muchly. But it is time I never seem to find. I should backup everyday but doesn't always happen. The max is three days but I also run regular scans. It is time consuming and there are only 24 hours in a day. I have 3 machines on the go as well!

Mike

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StringJunky
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Yes...you've got to live...you can't let paranoia rule your life! :D

It was LH that got me onto Mz....as a matter of fact the strategy I have now is the culmination of what I've learnt here from everyone.

Tony

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marks100
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Tony you need to do two lists one for ''paid for vision's'' yes i know some Av's cleaners, firewalls, ect,ect do a free version as well this would need to be marked

in some way... say ** to be clear. or different sections firewalls, AV, malware,ect, defraggers, op's will then have the opportunity to pick a ''bundle'' free or paid for (marked in the same way). we wouldn't want to think we were misleading people :):)

edit: sorry if this has already been said .. couldn't be bothered to read all the posts, btw, ''that still wont answer the question'' lol... what is the BEST lol goodun guys :)

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vistamike
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Just to keep the topic going;

I posted this link before regarding reviews of Av suites etc http://www.av-comparatives.org/
There is also this for paid for http://internet-security-suite.....views.com/
And free http://www.techsupportalert.co.....ftware.htm

Mike

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whs
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Hi StringJunky, just saw your question regarding the firewall. Answer is, since I use Norton, it has it's own firewall and shuts the windows firewall off.

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marks100
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whs the same probably goes for a lot of top end paid for Av's fare point.

mark.

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whs
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mark, you are right. All paid AVs I know bring their own firewall.

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marks100
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Sooo the question FREE OR PAID lol it all ends up there, the BEST ??? to be continued ...

mark.

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mfletch
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Panda cloud dont have its own firewall "paid version" so not all paid AV's have firewalls

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StringJunky
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scrapped

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StringJunky
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Is this a good compromise? Presentation could be better.

Internet Security Suites:

http://internet-security-suite.....views.com/ (Paid)

Antivirus (Use only one):

http://www.av-comparatives.org/

http://www.techsupportalert.co.....ftware.htm

On Demand Scanners (Use both):

Malwalwarebytes http://www.malwarebytes.org/mbam.php (Free Version)

SperAntispyware http://www.superantispyware.com/download.html (Free Version)

Spyware Blocker:

SpywareBlaster http://www.javacoolsoftware.co.....aster.html (Free Version)) Firefox and IE only

Firewall: Windows Firewall (Free) May come included in paid-for suite.

Website Checker (Use both):

WOT http://www.mywot.com/ (Free)

Site Advisor http://www.siteadvisor.com/ (Free)

Anti-Screen/Keylogger:

Rapport www.trusteer.com/webform/download-rapport (Free)

System Monitor:

WinPatrol http://www.winpatrol.com/download.html (Free Version)

System Cleaner/Maintenance:

Ccleaner http://www.piriform.com/ccleaner/download (Free)

System Imaging:

Macrium Reflect Free http://download.cnet.com/Macri.....45728.html

Norton Ghost (Paid)

I don't know a good link for Norton Ghost.

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marks100
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tony looks good, just a point you may like to consider ...when a person (anybody) buys a new computer from a mainstream store, local shop. it normally comes with a paid for AV suite say a year 6 months, so in affect giving a chance to use a paid for ... you notice they never put a free one one umm ?
:) just a little point . as i say looking good maybe a column style ??

mark.

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StringJunky
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Mark

I don't know how the forum software works so I'm very limited in what I can do...If there can be agreement on the principle someone more knowledgeable could make it prettier. The sticking point seems to be the Suites and AV's so i thought just link people to comparisons to make their own mind up on those...the rest are routinely recommended here. Ideally the links to the AVs and suites would be reliable and reputable ones that update content themselves so maintenance of the list would be minimal. Mike provided the AV links earlier so I presume they are good.

Tony

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marks100
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no worries tony not having a dig, looking good :) fare point ..

mark.

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germ-x
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To further drizzle's point "sometimes people buy a computer for the first time,and just plug it in and go,it is only when something starts to go wrong they realise,a bit of housekeeping is required"
This happens quite often in our modern day world mainly because the retailer tells the first timer "it has everything". That said, the first timer goes home and plugs it in and yes there is all demo stuff from MSoffice, to Internet protection software of different companies. They don't know how to use it and when the demo period is over they hunt or ask "What can I get". Then they purchase or install the free stuff maybe not what we would recommend but. Then they go to install without uninstalling the demo stuff and this is problem #1.
Then you have the others that as one OP said in a post "I take the easy out".
Things like this are all over and in every culture. "The easy way out" I bet all the old timers can't relate to that. We made decisions based in input from family, friends,and pro's then went ahead and had to figure it out by ourselves. Don't recall a how-to list.

g-x

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whs
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That reminds me that a "housekeeping" tutorial for the newcomers would be in order.

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StringJunky
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whs

You are probably the best person for this sort of thing...your tutorials are very good and well-written. :)

Tony

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whs
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Yeah, but I am currently moving my household from Florida to Germany. Bad time for that sort of thing.

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StringJunky
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When you've got sorted In Germany maybe you could have a go...

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LH
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He has to get the raft finished first :)

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whs
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Yeah, it is hard to find the balsa wood in Florida.

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