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acooperator
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He everyone,
I am quite surprised about some thing which is as follows: I have created a system image with Macrium and then I have uninstalled the MAcrium program. So, I noticed that the system image file created by Macrium has been changed its appearance. As you know that we can do a system image backup or data backup with a wide variety of programs, such as:
Macrium, Norton ghost, Acronis, and Windows built-in backup tool and so on.
So, I would like to know if I had created a system image backup or data backup with any of those program and wanted to restore it, Should I have to use the same program created a system image backup/data backup, or I can use another way?

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SarahJames
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You'll have to use the rescue CD that comes with Macrium to restore the image.
You can't restore the image made by one program with another program.
And most imaging programs require you use a rescue cd or a WinPE disk or something like that to restore (with the right program added to the WinPE disk etc.), because the drive or partition can't be in use when restoring.

But what I don't get is why did you uninstall Macrium?
It isn't a huge program taking up a lot of resources and when you have it installed you can browse the images as a virtual drive.
(very convenient for restoring individual files)
And it is always a good idea to make regular images.
Things on your computer change, so it is most convenient to have a recent image and when needed get your files and settings back without a lot of hassle.

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whs
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I have uploaded the WinPE .iso of Macrium to this Skydrive website. Right click on the grey box and download the .iso. Then burn it to a CD (ImgBurn is a good tool). With that CD you can restore Macrium images. You can also use it to create Macrium images.

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acooperator
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Thank you so much,

First: I would like to ask you that the system image I create from the bootable CD of Macrium, will it be restored only with using bootable CD of Macrium. In other words, I have downloaded ISO file for Macrium and burned it on a CD and then done a system image with booting with bootable CD of Macrium,. So, When I want to use it, should I use this bootable CD of Macrium to restore my system if I need?

Second: "the rescue CD that comes with Macrium to restore the image" What is the benefit from it? Could you please be a little more detailed?

Finally: If this iso file which I really downloaded and burned it on a CD is the rescue CD that comes with Macrium to restore the image.

Then why can I not use installing Macrium version to restore the image created with it? I think the other programs, such as installing Norton Ghost version would restore the images created with it.

As an aside, I have uninstalled the Macrium because I didn't see it does an incremental or differential image.

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SarahJames
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The WinPE CD is a windows environment with Macrium as one of the available programs on it.
The iso whs provided is a selfmade WinPE disk with Macrium added to it - works like a charm.

The Rescue CD only has a Macrium restore option on it (= you get a Macrium menu asking you which image you want to restore and to what drive or partition, that is all).

Both work perfectly fine to restore an image.

I can't comment on Norton Ghost, since I don't use it. Macrium does all I want.

I myself wouldn't rely on incremental images. Too much risk of losing data.
If you're worried about the size of the images, you might consider creating a seperate partition for your personal files.
That way you can image your C, which stays rather small since it only has your OS and programs on it.
And use a program like Cobian Backup to backup your personal files.
Cobian does full, differential and incremental backups.

More about backup options here.
(Mind you I use Cobian now instead of Karen's Replicator - same kind of program but Cobian is far superior.)

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whs
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As Sarah already said, I think it is a big mistake to use incremental images. The risk of losing the image is too high. It is also difficult to manage those images. Full images are the preferred solution and since large disks are readily available now, that should not really be a problem in terms of disk space.

The Macrium WinPE .iso I have uploaded is from the latests Macrium release ( 5.0.4908) but it can also be used to restore images from earlier releases of Macrium. This rescue CD is needed when you want to restore the system - that cannot be done from within a Macrium on a running system.

This WinPE .iso is the same as the one you can produce from your own Macrium installation. But that would take several hours because free Macrium will download the WAIK which is 1.7GB big. On my system that took over 2 hours whilst downloading the .iso from my site takes about 8 minutes.

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acooperator
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Thank you very much indeed.

I would respectfully asking you about these inquires:
I have four partitions(C: OS, System partition for boot, HP tools, D: factory recovery)
I have done a full system image backup for the two required partitions for restoring my Windows 7. Those partition are C: Windows system and "System partition for booting".
Now I am asking to know how I can let new settings and programs be backed up.
If I had created a full system image when any new programs or settings have been happened, then the hard disk would have been full quickly. So, I want a way to let only the new programs and settings be imaged

Suposse I do a full backup on Sunday. On Monday I back up only the files that changed since Sunday, on Tuesday I back up only the files that changed since Monday. Of course, these would be automatically as long as the full image created would be scheduled
So, When the time of scheduled comes, the Macrium would back up only the files that changed for all the partitions gotten new settings.

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acooperator
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As long as you said:
*The WinPE CD is a windows environment with Macrium as one of the available programs on it.
The iso whs provided is a selfmade WinPE disk with Macrium added to it - works like a charm.

*The Rescue CD only has a Macrium restore option on it (= you get a Macrium menu asking you which image you want to restore and to what drive or partition, that is all).

So, if you have a look at this picture whose link is below, you will see that the Macrium will also let me download WinPE. So, I know the WinPE CD.
However, what how can I download rescue CD

http://img213.imageshack.us/im.....875919.png

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whs
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The WinPE CD is the rescue CD - just another name for it. There is also a Linux rescue CD version. That, however, has less function.

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acooperator
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Thank you so much
But what I have been understanding that WinPE(rescue CD) is used only during DOS prompt and this is quite benefit if I cannot access to my own installing Macrium. Also, if I don't like to install Macrium on my computer. I really have downloaded this and burned it on a DVD.

However, I can restore my images during my own installing Macrium because there is option "restore" if you have a look at this screeshot.

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whs
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Yes you can restore imaged partitions, e.g. data partitions. But you cannot restore the system partition from a running system. For that you need the rescue CD (WinPE or Linux version).

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acooperator
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Thank you very much indeed.
First:Why? Have you tired and it failed. Because there is possibility to restore any partition I want.

Finally: could you reply me to this:
I would respectfully asking you about these inquires:
I have four partitions(C: OS, System partition for boot, HP tools, D: factory recovery)
I have done a full system image backup for the two required partitions for restoring my Windows 7. Those partition are C: Windows system and "System partition for booting".
Now I am asking to know how I can let new settings and programs be backed up.
If I had created a full system image when any new programs or settings have been happened, then the hard disk would have been full quickly. So, I want a way to let only the new programs and settings be imaged

Suposse I do a full backup on Sunday. On Monday I back up only the files that changed since Sunday, on Tuesday I back up only the files that changed since Monday. Of course, these would be automatically as long as the full image created would be scheduled
So, When the time of scheduled comes, the Macrium would back up only the files that changed for all the partitions gotten new settings.

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Xhi
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You have to have the paid version of Macrium to do the incremental backups you describe.

While running on the Windows drive you can not restore the partition the system is running on while it is running. That is why you make the recovery disk. You boot from it and thus are not running from the Windows partition and can then restore it.

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acooperator
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Could anyone please let me know about this problem?
I have created a system image during the installing Macrium version 5.0(build no 4908) and then I let it save in the external hard disk. However, when I have booted from Windows PE version 5.0(build 4870), I didn't see the destination of my system image listed in the list of the partitions, although my external hard disk, which is the destination, is connected to my computer via a USB3 port.
Besides, I am sure that when I have browsed the image created by Macrium, I could access to the external destination hard disk and found it available.

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Xhi
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As whs said above...

I have uploaded the WinPE .iso of Macrium to this Skydrive website. Right click on the grey box and download the .iso. Then burn it to a CD (ImgBurn is a good tool). With that CD you can restore Macrium images. You can also use it to create Macrium images.

If you do what he said you will have a disk that will recognize your USB3 port. Please try that.

Alternatively place your USB 3 device in a USB 2 Port.

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acooperator
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Thanks a lot, but what I have WinPE CD I really downloaded the same WinPE iso of macrium, but from another forum and it was uploaded on Skydrive(Macrium WinPE iso with USB3)

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acooperator
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I really when I placed the external hard disk in the USB 2 port, the external hard disk became shown in while booting from WinPE CD
But I really the WinPE CD I have I created it from downloading Macrium WinPE iso with USB3. Then why should I place external hard disk in USB2 port to be shown?

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Xhi
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Because it works that way!

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acooperator
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Then, I can never see my external hard disk shown, except if it is connected to a USB2 port. If so, even if I have created another secure media by burning the secure media iso file which I let Macrium downloaded.

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Xhi
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Have you tried the one that whs assures us that he made which will recognize USB 3.0???

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acooperator
Posts: 123

Thank you so much indeed,
But I am still quite confused that the Macrium WinPE ISO file which Wsh has uploaded to SkyDrive is just 154MB. However, the WinPE iso file which I let Macrium download is 1.66GB, although they are the same

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whs
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The 1.7GB file that Macrium downloads during the WinPE recovery CD production is the WAIK and NOT the iso. The WAIK is a Microsoft installation kit that is used to produce the WinPE recovery disk.

The reason I uploaded the ready made WinPE iso file to skydrive is to save you the 2+ hours of WAIK download. The end result is the same. If you had produced it after downloading the WAIK, the resulting recovery file would also be 154MB.

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acooperator
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Thank you so much indeed, Whs.
However, I have downloaded the WinPE you uploaded to SkyDrive. Then, I have burned it with a burning software. After that, I have booted from it. However, the WinPE didn't reconginse my external hard disk(Destination of my images) while it is connected to a USB3 port.

I really now have two WinPE(one which I have created from your ISO file, the second is from another form)
But both of them didn't recognise my Esternal hard disk while connected to a USB3 port. Though the tittle of the iso file I have donwnloaded from another forum is "Mcrium WinPE iso with USB3"

Second:
@The reason I uploaded the ready made WinPE iso file to skydrive is to save you the 2+ hours of WAIK download. The end result is the same. If you had produced it after downloading the WAIK, the resulting recovery file would also be 154MB. @

I have been still keeping with the 1.7GB file that Macrium downloads during the WinPE recovery CD production is the WAIK. So, Can I return to Macrium and then choose "create scure CD". After that, I will navigate to the location of WAIK. Next, I will complet the rest of steps. Finally: I will get WinPE revoey CD. ISO.
Besides, maybe WinPE recovery CD.iso which will be created by Macrium would recognise my external hard disk connected to a USB3 port.

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whs
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Hmm, there used to be a problem with the USB3 which was supposed to be fixed with the release level of the WinPE I uploaded. Apparently that is not the case. Unfortunately I cannot test that right now because on the systems I have at this location I have no USB3 ports. I will test it when I am back in FL in November where I have such facilities.

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acooperator
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Thanks a lot,
You do not think that if I had created WinPE with Macrium, WinPE would have recognised my hard disk while connected to a USB3 port.
In other words, I will let my external hard disk connected to USB3 port, and then I will return to Macrium and will click on "create scure bootable CD'. After that, I will follow the steps during Wizard. When I am asked to download the WAIK. I will not let it download it because I have been still keeping with the 1.7GB file that Macrium downloaded before.
Also, when I asked to locate the iso file, I will choose the path in which iso file(your file I have donwloaded) is. After that, I will click 'next'. Finally, Macrium will configure what needs to be added. Finally, I will get Macrium WinPE recovery CD which will recognise USB3 ports.

By the way, when I want to let Macrium create a scure CD. Will I have to have 'Macrium WinPE Recovery CD.iso' previously or during the porcess the program "Macrium" will download it? If I have to have the iso, then what is the benefit from that there is an option in Macrium to create a scure CD. If I had had an iso file, I would have burned it with any other burning software and then I would have Macrium WinPE Recovery CD.iso

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whs
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Sorry, but I really don't know what you are asking here.

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acooperator
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I mean if I have returned to create a secure CD during Macrium, Should I let it download WAIK again, or the one I have been keeping it now is enough?

Second: As long as you said 'The 1.7GB file that Macrium downloads during the WinPE recovery CD production is the WAIK and NOT the iso.' Thus, If hadn't had a WinPE iso file , wanted to create secure CD during Macrium,where would I bring iso file.

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whs
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When you create the WinPE CD from Macrium (after the WAIK was downloaded), it will burn the CD directly. At one point during the process it will call your default CD burning program.

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acooperator
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I have really decided to try creating a secure CD during Macrium.

However, when I booted from the CD created, I saw that my external hard disk wasn't shown while connceted to USB3 port. Altough the external hard disk was connected while Macrium was creating a secure CD, the WinPE CD still donesn't recognise my hard disk while connected to USB3 port.

By the way, I am quite surprised that Macrium burned CD, although it isn't a burning software.

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acooperator
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While creating an image with Macrium, I have reached to:

My question is what is the benefit from this file which saves in this path in my internal hard disk as long as my image (F66CED9A65871A4B-00-00)will be saved in the external hard disk( the destinaiton)

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Xhi
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It is to create a shortcut which you can click on at any time you want to repeat the same backup.

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acooperator
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Thanks a lot
But now I would have two files:
F66CED9A65871A4B-00-00, which is in external hard disk(destination) and the other which is on Reflct folder where Macrium is installed( internal hard disk)

Second: Why would need repeating the same backup. If I had needed to do this, I would have created another new one.

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Xhi
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Most folks do the same backup week after week. This file would save the choices you had to make and you would not have to duplicate the effort next time you want to perform the same backup.

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acooperator
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Thanks a lot,
I would schedule (by clicking right-click then 'schedule) my image weekly and then I will get the same backup without duplicating the effort.

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acooperator
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When I have restored my computer via WinPE CD from one image created before by Macrium installed in my computer . Then when my Windows restored, I run Macrium installed on my desktop. However, I didn't see that Macrium recognised definition Backup xml file, although the file is still shown in my documents inside "Reflact" folder.

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Xhi
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You run the XML file by clicking on it.

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acooperator
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No,
I think now I have gotten the reason which caused why xML didn't appear in Macrium.
After I created a full image at 2 AM yeserday, I have highlighted XML and clicked duble on it to create another full image by Macrium installed at 4 AM.
So, I think the XML updated.
Thus, when I restored from the image created at 2 AM, Macrium didn't recognise the XML, although it is "C:\Users\Mohammad\Document\Reflect\......XML
However, when I restored from the image created at 4 AM, Macrium recognised the xml.

Besides, I would like to ask you:
First: should I have more XML for each create image?

Second: in case that I install Macrim in another partition other OS's. For isnstance, D:\Users\Mohammad\Document\Reflect\......XML
And then, I create only an image for OS's partiton. When I restore from this image, the Macrium woud never find XML because it is D:\Users\Mohammad\Document\Reflect\......XML.

As a result, I think that someone who argues that it is quite good idea to install programs in another partition other than OS's (Defualt C:), he would be quite erroneous.

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warlock
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@acooperator, Were you James T. Kirk in another life? You seemed to have appeared when he disappeared. Just wondering.

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acooperator
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Xhi, could you confirm that you receive this window while your Windows boots after restoring your image by WinPE CD.
I, When I have restored my Windows via WinPE CD from image created by Macrium installed, then I exited from WinPE CD. I see my Windows while booting showed me this:
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Windows Error Recovery
Windows didn't shut .........................
Select one option from ......
1-Safe mode
2-Start Windows normally.
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When I clicked on Start Windows normally
I see Windows booted correctly

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germ-x
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When making your image save it to a folder with a name of your choice then select that same folder to save your XML file in and then make your image and save it in the same folder as your XML file is in. You won't have any problem if you do it that way.

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acooperator
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Could you please concentrate with me?

I don't have any problem with my resotration
it has recovered my computer very well.
However,
could you confirm that you receive this window while your Windows boots after restoring your image by WinPE CD.
I, When I have restored my Windows via WinPE CD from image created by Macrium installed, then I exited from WinPE CD. I see my Windows while booting showed me this:
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Windows Error Recovery
Windows didn't shut .........................
Select one option from ......
1-Safe mode
2-Start Windows normally.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
When I clicked on Start Windows normally
I see Windows booted correctly

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acooperator
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could you confirm that you receive this window while your Windows boots after restoring your image by WinPE CD.
I, When I have restored my Windows via WinPE CD from an image created by Macrium installed, then after the rstoration completed successfully, I exited from WinPE CD. I see my Windows while booting showed me this:
---------------------------------------------------------
Windows Error Recovery
Windows didn't shut down correctly.........................
Select one option from ......
1-Safe mode
2-Start Windows normally.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
When I clicked on Start Windows normally
I see Windows booted correctly

However, when I have tried restoring from another image, I didn't see this window.

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Xhi
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It all depends what is in the image.

One way to accomplish this is to shut down the system incorrectly causing the Safe mode flag to be set. Then take an image of that system. That system when restored will go to the safe mode question.

If you take the image from a normally shut down or active system you will not get that screen upon restore.

Don't know how you did it, but those are some of the ways it could happen. In either event there would be nothing wrong with the restored system.

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acooperator
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Yes, I would contentedly quite agree with you, even though I didn't realise that I have created the image while Windows shut down incorrectly, which might be causing the problem while image was imaged.

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