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  • Started 4 years ago by leonardjonesjonesbtinternetcom
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leonardjonesjonesbtinternetcom
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I have an acer z5610 all in one and am about to replace the hard drive with a solid state drive,I know little or nothing about ssd but am keen to learn.I have donne a little research but need to be sure I get the right one for my pc
installing windows7 from scratch would not be a problem a clean install would be preferred
a 240/256g is what I have in mind
the current hard drive is I believe a 2.5" so will probably require the same
the pc is under 3 years old so probably wont support sata 3 but sata3 will still work?
I have looked at crucial and kingston and several others,and I am confusing myself even more.think I require some laymans experience

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ispalten
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If you are going to be doing a CLEAN INSTALL you do it the SAME way as you would with a standard SATA drive. Just replace it, shouldn't require any BIOS changes, and install the OS. I would get a SATA II (I assume that is what your drive is now) as it could work a little better even though SATA III is backward compatible.

Now if you want to CLONE the original drive over to the SSD, specialized s/w is required.

Me, and I've done this, I used the original drive as a second data only drive. However, I had from day 1 partitioned that drive to a small OS partition and then 2 data partitions. This way I was able to clone the original OS partition to the SSD, then booted off of the SSD and HID the original OS partition (actually I changed the drive to another letter so I can access it if need be or even BOOT to it).

I"d check how much of your original drive was used and get a drive larger than that.

Irv S.

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whs
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1. Sata3 will work on a Sata2 port - there will be little real life performance difference
2. The Crucial M4 is a good SSD - also look at the Samsung 300 and 400 (not the Pro)
3. Here is a little tutorial I made to get you started: http://www.sevenforums.com/tut.....ystem.html

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raphoenix
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Reference Reading

http://thessdreview.com/

Click on Links at Top of Page.

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leonardjonesjonesbtinternetcom
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I have had a 1-1 chat with crucial,they say they dont have an ssd for my system
how can I be sure before I buy?
I have been on the acer web site it would appear to be useless unless you are still in warranty

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Lighthouse
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What OS are you running ?

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leonardjonesjonesbtinternetcom
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win7 ultimate 64bit
I cant see the os having any effect on wether a ssd will work in my system
my main problem now is which ssd kingston/seagate / I have used crucial before and been well pleased so am a little disappointed

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whs
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I don't understand this whole discussion. Why can't you use any SSD.

In this all-in-one box it may be tight quaters. But there must be a disk bay for the current disk where you should be able to fit a SSD. If the SSD is smaller than the bay (e.g. SSD is 2.5" and bay is 3.5") use my old method - Velcro dots - to secure it. But the power cable and Sata cable should be standard - and even if they are not, there are always adapters.

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Lighthouse
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Because the make , and model of the SSD depends on the OS for it to work at peak efficiency.

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whs
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LH, where did you get that from. And what is 'peak efficiency'.

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leonardjonesjonesbtinternetcom
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I have had 1-1 with crucial and email contact with samsung and both say they cannot guarantee their products will work with my pc.
Idont think there is an issue with which os win7/8
usb 2/3 is not an issue either as most ssd`s are backwards compatible
I am currently looking at sandisk and ocz technology
sandisk I know, ocz I have never heard of
my count down has started one week today I will order one
if I order via amazon their returns policy is second to none
there is a spare bay in my system I have had a look
there is an option in bios to add an ssd(which is encouraging)
so...

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whs
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OCZ is the biggest maker of SSDs. I have 3 OCZs that all work very well. But there are some OCZ models that did have problems - better read the reviews (e.g. on Newegg).

The Crucial M4 (of which I have one) and the Samsung 830 and 840s ar very good too.

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oldgeezer
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I suspect that Crucial and Samsung are being cautious because you are putting it into an all-in-one PC and they probably haven't bothered to test it in one. As long as it is easily accessible there shouldn't be a problem and the M4 is definitely a good buy - they were selling the 256Gb for only a bit over £100 recently.

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leonardjonesjonesbtinternetcom
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thanks again fellas I tend to agree with "oldgeezer" about crucial but that could be because I am an "oldgeezer" too you get a bit sceptical with age
I have a son who has used ocz recently and is happy with them, so the deciscion is narrowed a bit further...almost there

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LadyFitzgerald
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From what I've read, if one goes with Samsung 840, get the 840 Pro. The 840 uses TLC which may reduce the life of the SSD (they are too new for actual life data to be available). The 840 Pro uses MLC which should give longer life. The Pro version is also a bit faster.

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whs
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But then the 840 Pro is more expensive. I would not worry about the lifetime of the 840. It will last longer than you will care to keep it.

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LadyFitzgerald
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Right now, the 840 pro is only $40 more at NewEgg ($100 vs. $140). I spend that much eating out two or three times.

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whs
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I'd rather convert the $40 into food, LOL.

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LadyFitzgerald
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The SSD will last far longer than $40 worth of food. I don't know about you, but I can stand to lose weight. ;)

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LadyFitzgerald
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The 128 GB 840 Pro is on sale today for $130 at NewEgg using promo code EMCNJNJ37. I wasn't going to buy my computer innards until February to make sure I got the full use of the warranty and I could still return any DOA components within the usual 30 day window but HDDS and SSDs aren't hard to test (I'll be picking up four 2 TB HDDs from my mail service tomorrow that I ordered on sale after Christmas while I was out of town that I will be testing for the next week or so) so it's worth ordering now to save a few shekels.

Another difference between the 840 and the 840 Pro is the warranty; the 840 has a three year warranty and the pro has a five year warranty.

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raphoenix
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9 Page Review
and
Samsung 830 vs Samsung 840 vs Samsung 840 Pro Specifications

http://www.custompcreview.com/.....iew/15955/

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whs
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Rick, some people think the TLC of the 840 is a big disadvantage. What do you think ??

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raphoenix
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I would stick with 840 PRO Know Good MLC Technology until new TLC SSDs get a proven track record.

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LadyFitzgerald
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What Rick said. TLC is too new to have a track record but, in theory, will not be as durable as MLC.

While I lusted after the larger sizes for their increased write speeds, realistically speaking, they probably do me all that much good since a boot drive doesn't get written to nearly as much as it gets read (not to mention that the thing will be so fast any speed differences will be insignificant) so I ordered the 128 GB drive (I'll be ordering the rest of the innards for my build in February; I'll finish the case in the next day or two). I doubt that I'll use more than 40GB for the OS and programs. That will leave me more than 40-50 GB overhead for temp files and overprovisioning for wear leveling which will be more than enough.

@whs. The first page of the link that Rick posted should answer your question.

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whs
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LF, thanks for pointing that out. But even they call it "mythical". Btw: I run all 3 of my desktops with 60GB SSDs - and the oldest since 4 years. So you should be fine with the 128GB model. Just get rid of the hyberfile, set the pagefile to 2GB and move the data to the spinner.

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LadyFitzgerald
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@ whs. Note that I said, "...in theory...". TLC is just too new for actual results to be in yet. For the little amount the Pro costs over the consumer version and the improved performance it has, "erring" to the side of caution just made good sense, especially since I got it on sale (being a cheap, old b***H, it's my favorite word).

The machine I'm slowly building (most of the work has been in prepping the case and making custom PSU cables; the latter was a chore but worth it) will use up to six spinners to store data on. I'll be starting with one WD2002FAEX 2 TB for the main data drive which will be adequate for my music, books, photos, and personal data for years to come (I'll probably steal the one out of my XP machine). I'll also initially have a WD20EARX 2 TB for videos only; I'll add more as I rip more DVDs.

The SSD will be strictly for the OS and programs. I could have gotten by with the 64 GB model but the 128 GB model was a happy compromise of performance and price and still gives me plenty of overhead for future expansion and wear leveling. Barring a flaw that causes early failure (and that is what the warranty is for), this little jewel should be still be happily plugging along long after Win 7 is laid to rest.

Dumb question: hyberfile?

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Lighthouse
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LadyFitzgerald
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Thanks, LH. I've copied it to a Word doc and I'll study it later but I get the gist for now.

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raphoenix
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The SSD Optimization Guide Redesigned

http://thessdreview.com/ssd-gu.....guide-2/2/

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whs
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@LF

1. Deleting the hiberfile needs no 'study'. Just run this command: powercfg - h off

2. Here is someone who just posted performance measurements of an 840 Pro (posting # 823) http://www.sevenforums.com/har.....ost2237956

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raphoenix
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My Vertex 4 128GBs in Raid 0 Array on Sata III Ports in Asus Ivy Bridge Machine.

Best guess is that Two 840 PRO 256GB in same Raid 0 Array Configuration should hit better than a 1000.

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whs
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Amazing nums. But since the access time probably does not change (a lot), I assume that those speeds have little impact on the OS overall performance. Or did you notice any.

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LadyFitzgerald
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@ whs. By study, I meant read it. I just copied the article to a word doc and took off to run some errands. I just got back and my TV show is about to come on. One of the advantages of retirement is I can set my own schedule most of the time.

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whs
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Yeah, I set my own schedule since over 20 years. The only thing I don't understand is how I ever could have squeezed in some work.

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raphoenix
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@whs,

Can't measure my excess time as all local programs open and are ready to go in the "blink of eye".

Of course the slowest thing about my machines is the internet speeds which I can't do anything about. :(

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LadyFitzgerald
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@ whs. Isn't it the truth!

@ Rick. I have a fairly decent connection...for now. Eventually, I'll be stuck with a slower one with a smaller cap. Wah!

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whs
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Yeah, the internet is too slow. I have DSL3000 in the US and DSL6000 (for half ther money) in Germany. Both are too slow when I e.g. upload a 300MB video to YouTube. I envie my son who has DSL56.000 in Germany. But he is on glass cables.

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raphoenix
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US is 36th on this comparison.
http://www.netindex.com/download/allcountries/

Can Play with many global connections and comparisons on the top menu bar.

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whs
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That's better than #136 - which is Honduras

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