(Solved) - Redo Backup and Recovery(31 posts)
This is one I use to image a complete SSD or raid array because it was made with AIK tools.
Use Rufus to make Bootable USB Stick with WinPE.iso for Macrium from whs Skydrive link above.
That's what I thought.
I downloaded the ISO from the link I posted and ran it. It runs off a Linux distro. The Macrium ISO works better for partitions or whole disks.
Redo works very well. I use Redo to create an image for those for whom I do work and are not familiar with Linux, thus will have a hard time with Clonezilla. I make a bootable CD for them as well as part of my work. Redo has a pretty straight-forward process and makes a nice introduction to imaging for those who never even considered the importance of an image. Now they don't have to pay me if windows messes up for any reason...LOL :)))))
There are plenty of software out there to do the same thing no matter what task one wants to accomplish. Picking one is a matter of personal preference. I tried Macrium and it worked just fine. However I prefer Clonezilla. Redo I recommend for users not so savvy with computers, like the old progressive insurance commercial: "it's so easy a caveman can do it." with redo
This morning I tried redo just as a project against macrium which I use on all my machines.
Redo is a linux based live cd, so it cannot be used within windows, it needs to be booted from your ODD.
redo took some time to load but every option for backup was available.
I successfully backed up my C partition (200gb), but it took 98 minutes to do this. Because you are doing this 'offline' this is 98 minutes of downtime so for everyday use is extremely time consuming, whereas macrium from within windows takes 20 mins on my 200gb partition and you can continue to work.
So Macrium gets many more stars and using whs's PE recovery link, a restore is so easy.
Basically Macrium beats redo for everyday use because you can invoke from the desktop at any time.
One area where redo may be an advantage is where you 'clean' a new pc of the crapware, install what you want for starters, security, minimal apps, no data stored etc.
Pretty useful for resale in the future perhaps with a default system.
Just about everybody regular on here recommends Macrium by default for a free imaging program. It's good having a consensus on specific apps because it means when someone asks a question about a particular one there will likely be someone online familiar with it and whs has done some tutorials on Seven Forums where he is also a member about it so it's well-covered between here and there.
@ SJ. I realize almost everyone here recommends Macrium. I have tried it and it works well. However there are almost always at least a few different ways to accomplish the same task. I can not recommend something I myself do not use. There is no right or wrong way when it comes to software choices. We can all peacefully co-exist. In the end no matter what any of us recommend the OP has to choose what advice to follow. As long as the advice is correct ego should not get in the way. This being mostly a Windows forum I would imagine people are always up to learning new and/or alternate methods that work with windows as long as they are safe.
presence, remember that many of us backup on a regular basis, sometimes daily ( I do ) and this has not failed yet with macrium.
'This being mostly a Windows forum I would imagine people are always up to learning new and/or alternate methods that work with windows as long as they are safe.'
It's what works on a daily/weekly backup basis that work everytime round. Some of here do a lot of testing and a restore that works is most important as opposed to system restore when thing might go pear shaped
As you can see above, Macrium seems to be the default environment for the moment.
Absolutely, choice is good but this forum is frequented mostly by noobs and it makes sense to have a uniform single recommendation where possible so they are less likely to be left stranded when they start a process they are likely not yet familiar with. Imaging is a very big thing on here which everyone tries to promote and it makes sense to sing from the same hymn sheet where possible to enable novices as quickly and smoothly as possible. If you look through the hardcore members list of essential apps I bet you'll find a lot of common ground. These areas of commonly recommended apps have evolved through mutually shared experience.
Tony, very good point, a uniform single recommendation where possible.
Imaging is so much more important than it was a few years back
Windows backup was and is still appalling yet I see so many clients getting 'rucked' with this
The shared experience points to Macrium for a general, working, useful and most importantly, a workable recovery option
It is your default environment by choice, not mine. Allow me the same choice that you were able to make. So if I help someone on here image with Clonezilla or Redo that is deemed as wrong because the rest of you don't do it or sing from that hymn sheet. That is simply rubbish.
P.S. I was never much of a follower, a fall into line type of person. That has followed me into the world of tech as well. I am a firm believer of choice for geeks, middle of road users and noobs. Unless a method is unsafe, unreliable or too difficult no one has the right to dictate how to accomplish a task.
Please see my post above
And redo is clonezilla based.
No one said it was wrong......
MY CHOICE IS MACRIUM. so I can image within windows.
What is your problem? No one said otherwise
Right Mike..YOUR choice is Macrium. And a lot of others here choose it as well. But you can not drown out alternate methods or enforce a single method to accomplish something on here by virtue of "most of us use it" or and i quote "The shared experience points to Macrium for a general, working, useful and most importantly, a workable recovery option."
No problem here, just voicing opinion. And putting forth viable, tested and proven methods of imaging and backup. Just because you guys don't use it is beside the point.
Are you looking for methods rather than results? That is the question I continually ask myself and it always opens the door to learning something.
The point is that Macrium works.
I'm not drowning out alternatives, I'm reporting as point of fact. Don't break something that works or not broke in the first place.
But you have not given a viable alternative have you?
Why do we need untested and unreliable methods?
You certainly have have not given any that beats the systems we have in place.
So, you still with redo then?
Carol: Hi, i want to backup my system in the event of a catastrophe. What should I use? I'm absolutely pants with a computer.
Jim: Macrium Reflect...it's very reliable.
Joe: ToDo Backup.....it's the nuts.
Mark Windows Imaging....it's free and already there.
Simon: Clonezilla....it's the best thing since sliced bread.
Kay: Paragon Backup and Recovery...I like this.
Steve: Drive Image XML...can't beat this for speed.
Lucy: PING...I've had loads of problems with the others.
Kelvin: Acronis True Image...you only get what you pay for.
Carol: Blimey! What choice...I'll get back to you. (Never to be seen again)
All very tongue in cheek and made up of course but this scenario is what's best to avoid if the end goal is to send a person away with a clearly defined solution with good available human resources in the same place to support that solution should they need it. Macrium got that consensus here first with it's so far unbroken record of reliability and as Xhi is fond of saying; if it ain't broke...
The point is that Clonezilla & Redo work. As does PING. They are tested and reliable. Just because the people on the great HTG forum have not tested it means absolutely nothing. You are only a miniscule percentage of windows users in the world. You are not the end all, be all when it comes to knowledge. Have a little humility. I acknowledge Macrium works, I gave it a good test run. Why can't you do the same for something else. You don't have to like it, the acid test is does it do what it is supposed to do.
Just because you want to use one way does not make it better, right or more reliable than another. I would rather be flexible and be versed in more than one way to accomplish a task.
No I don't use Redo on my personal machine. I set it up for unsavvy computer users whom I have done work for on their machines, most of whom lost their OS and data because they don't image and back up. I make the bootable CD for them. When I return their machine I show them how to make and restore an image so they never have to lose everything again and pay someone to do what they can do themselves. Redo is perfect for these kind of users.
On my personal machines I use Clonezilla for imaging of OS partitions, of which I have Windows 8, Ubuntu 12.10, Ubuntu Development Release and Sabayon X. For my data which is on a separate hard disk I use rsync (command line) from linux to back up all my data to a third internal hard disk. And for redundancy I have my OS images on both internal disks (data and backup) and an external disk. I have my data on both internal data disks and an external disk. My OSs are on separate disk as well booting all of them from GRUB.
The other methods are not broke....you know this is going nowhere. You recommend what works for you, I will recommend what works for me. I can live with your choice, the question is can you live with mine? If you can't then just delete my membership. Problem solved!
It's not about the others being wrong, its about AVAILABILITY OF SUPPORT...this is what we do, not confound the novice with excess choices. HTG support is too limited in numbers of knowledgeable people to cover all choices.
@ SJ-then let those members knowledgeable in each area help OPs within their area of expertise. You don't need everyone to cover all choices. What you need is a few to cover each choice. This will provide the best support and teach noobs as well.
I think things have gone overboard here from where i am sitting programs are programs they each will do different things. I think all Mike was trying to do is convey what most users are comfortable with. i think i could compare this to used car salesmen trying to pitch a kind of car that the customer would want with out knowing the person that they are trying to sale to. What i think that HTG does well they attract knowledgeable users that offer array of fixes to any OPS problems. No, i am not saying that you are wrong or right about this i just think it's a matter of taste.
What irks me is Mike said other tried and tested software is not a viable alternative. That specifically Redo and Clonezilla are untested and unreliable. I just wish some people would check their facts before making unfounded claims. The other issue I see is closed-mindedness to an alternative way to accomplish the same task, which has been tried and tested, proven reliable by the rest of the computer community
I did not say that at all. Please refer to what I said above regarding the 'difference' between Redo and Macrium.
I downloaded Redo and made a fair comment above. It is not good for either me or my clients.
My remark in reference to untried methods is that many are offered on the internet and are quite useless, that's why we stick to known and trusted methods.
Please get your facts right.
I agree John. What irks me is Mike said other tried and tested software is not a viable alternative. That specifically Redo and Clonezilla are untested and unreliable. I just wish some people would check their facts before making unfounded claims. The other issue I see is closed-mindedness to an alternative way to accomplish the same task, which has been tried and tested, proven reliable by the rest of the computer community. just because those on HTG haven't used it or heard of it is no reason for scorn. This reminds me of a quote: There is a principle which is a bar against all information and will forever keep a man in everlasting ignorance. That principle is contempt prior to investigation.
Well, i can't speak for HTG as a whole but in my lifetime which i have been in the computer field for 20+ years i can honestly say that people who get used to a piece of software change won't happen unless the OS has a major upgrade like from 7 to 8 they are so used to working with said software that if it works for them why change? i myself like macrium because of ease of doing it with my disability it helps me to do images quicker.
I will not be told how to help someone who has a problem, unless my advice is incorrect or unsafe. Using a different software to accomplish the same task is neither. I would think a community would welcome and benefit from having as vast an array of options as possible. This will enable us to help more people and increase our knowledge and experience at the same time. For instance coming from linux (still active in ubuntu forums) I have never heard of Macrium Reflect. I did not write it off, instead I downloaded it and installed it. I tested the software for over a week. It works just fine. That is open-mindedness which is in stark contrast to the reception I received here.
Like Mike said why fix something that's not broken? Nobody said you are wrong or right like you said you was given a opinion about how you operate with different kind of software that 80% of the people haven't used and that's all right i have no problem with that. What i have a problem with is that though is you thought mike was belittling you and he wasn't. He was merely pointing out that the 80% wasn't going to switch from something that is working to a software that the OP will have to relearn the basics again and i can tell you the few of the 80% will stay with what they know and comfortable with. Not that yours don't have merit or anything i am just telling you what i think because i know the majority of the people here.
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