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  • Started 8 years ago by JDorfler
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JDorfler
Posts: 35

I see you guys do a lot of How-Tos for MSFT Office, but how come no love for Open Office? Be nice to see if there are any tips or tricks you can do with that program that isn't so obvious for the rest of us.

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jack7h3r1pp3r
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i think it is because most of the stuff in the two are mainly the same so there really isn't a need to do it but there are some things different but not many.

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JDorfler
Posts: 35

You are probably right. With the right extensions OOo does just as much as MSFT Office, and even much more without being so blotted. Thanks for such a quick reply.

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jack7h3r1pp3r
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no probs hehe :)

and welcome to the site

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Budohorseman
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As you poke around, you will see that we typically have OpenOffice as one of our main recommendations around here. And since MS Office has the lions share of the business, Microsoft Office makes it easier for people to find their way here for help. If we get enough help requests for Open Office, maybe one day they will change the forum name for Microsoft Office to just plain old Office. I doubt anyone here cares who's 'Office' program you are running or have questions about, just ask away and I'm sure someone here will jump in and try to answer.

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JDorfler
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No problem Budohorseman. Don't get me wrong. I love MSFT Office. Heck, I own MSFT stock. I just prefer OOo. And thanks for the welcome Jack.

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raphoenix
Posts: 14920

JDorfler,

Open Office (3 Beta I think??) is out and getting very good reviews from what I've read.

Appears most questions from posters asking for help come from MS Office 2007 Users but THAT IS JUST CONJECTURE from reading daily postings for awhile.

As Jack indicated above, OO will do about the same things as Office 2007 (especially version 3) so difference in amount of help questions may be due to installed user base.

If I didn't already have a Full Copy of MS Office 2003, I would certainly be using Open Office so there is NO prejudice on this responders end.

Kindest Regards,
Rick P. ♥ :)

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The Geek
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Unfortunately only a small number of people use Open Office, and those people tend to be more proficient in the first place, making the audience for articles on the subject quite small.

Personally I prefer MS Office 2007 to anything else out there, and since it's what I use all the time the few articles even written on office subjects end up being things that I come across.

I'd be thrilled if somebody came along and contributed some articles on Open Office, though.

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BobJam
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One thing on Open Office. I've not used it but I have a friend who does. I have MS Office 2003.

As an experiment, I asked him to send me an Open Office doc as an attachment to see if I could open it in MSWord. The two are supposed to be compatible, so I fully expected the thing to open.

When I tried to open the attachment, all I got was jumbled machine language in the MSWord window.

Turns out there's apparently some kind of "Save as" setting that automatically saves as a compatible MSWord doc. He didn't save it that way at first, so that's why I got the Open Office format that wasn't readable in MSWord. He changed the setting, sent it to me again, and this time it opened just fine.

So if you use Open Office and want to send a doc to someone who only has MSWord, you'll need to have that setting correct.

As I said, I don't use Open Office so I can't be more precise on where that setting is or exactly what it says.

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jack7h3r1pp3r
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it's just when you goto save it you just have to change the format that you save it in

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raphoenix
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As it has always been; it is imperative that one must save and communicate information in some type of universal format; thus the argument for Open Source programs, O/Ses and non-proprietary accepted standards.
Kindest Regards,
Rick P. ♥ :)

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whs
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That's what I like about Word 2007. One has all those nifty formats in which to store a document. And when in doubt, .pdf always works - anybody can read that.

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raphoenix
Posts: 14920

@whs,
I will give MS the benefit of trying to be inclusive, however if you look at the extensions, all but (3) or (4) were created by them. (LOL) (LOL)

Kindest Regards,
Rick P. ♥ :)

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whs
Posts: 17584

Normal - they have over 80% of the market.

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jack7h3r1pp3r
Posts: 2815

i think that a rtf can be read by anyone too

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raphoenix
Posts: 14920

@jack,
You are correct, RTF is pretty much universal like a CSV data file is.
@whs,
Just a thought provoking statement in my last post.
To make one wonder why there are no other extensions anymore and what could be the cause ??
Surely the cause can't be that Word Perfect, Etc. were "poorly coded programs" ?? (LOL) (LOL).
Could something else have happened ?? (LOL) (LOL)
Kindest Regards,
Rick P. ♥ :)

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jack7h3r1pp3r
Posts: 2815

@rick maybe they were just never used lol :D

because i only use .doc, txt, & pdf

just a thought :)

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whs
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I think jack is right. It's a matter of usage. What's popular stays, the other stuff dies. Just think of things like 8-track tapes or Betamax.

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raphoenix
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@jack,

Have to "Crank Up" the Way Back Machine to see what really happened.
"Hint" MS never has been known for its' high ideals nor fair business practices. (LOL) (LOL).
"Hint" B. Gates wasn't the best coder around but became a very rich man.
Kindest Regards,
Rick P. ♥ :)

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jack7h3r1pp3r
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naw gates was always more of a business man

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raphoenix
Posts: 14920

@jack,

You are correct and now you know why one cannot purchase an OEM machine without a copy of Windows installed on it for the most part.

Give it a try.

Call HP, tell them you want to purchase the very best note book computer money can buy, you have a good credit card in hand but the only condition you require is that you don't want Windows pre-installed.
See how far you get. LOL LOL

I do it sometimes just to have a bit of fun !!!!

Kindest Regards,
Rick P. ♥ :)

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jack7h3r1pp3r
Posts: 2815

i have seen some pc that you can get with no os installed on them before but not hp or others alike

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raphoenix
Posts: 14920

@Jack,

Isn't that strange ??
Wonder how MS gets the supposedly independent OEMs to do that ??
Have to Crank Up the way back machine for the answer.
Should have paid more attention in ECON Courses.(LOL) (LOL)

Kindest Regards,
Rick P. ♥ :)

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whs
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Rick, I think for 80% of the users it is a good thing that the systems come prebundeled. They would not know where to start without it. And for geeks, there are a lot of options ranging from self-built to many companies that sell PCs and laptops without an operating system. And if you are really desperate, you can always reformat your OS disk.

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raphoenix
Posts: 14920

@whs,

You are correct.
Just giving Jack something to think about as to how all of this transpired and came into being.
You and I know but the younger Geek folks can't imagine a world without MS.

Kindest Regards,
Rick P. ♥ :)

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jack7h3r1pp3r
Posts: 2815

i can imagine a world with out MS and windows and since i haven't used windows for the past month or longer i am actually starting to forget how to do things lol

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BobJam
Posts: 1052

Hey Rick,

I'm sure you've seen this, but just for laughs:

Microsoft Windows [n.]: a thirty-two bit extension and GUI shell to a sixteen bit patch to an eight bit operating system originally coded for a four bit microprocessor and sold by a two-bit company that can't stand one bit of competition.

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raphoenix
Posts: 14920

@Bob,
What makes that so hunerous is that it is True as you know. (LOL)(LOL)(LOL)
I don't cut'em any slack; that's for sure. (LOL)

Kindest Regards,
Rick P. ♥ :)

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JDorfler
Posts: 35

In order for MSFT Office to read ODF formats which is the native format for most other office suite products, you will need to download the odf converter add in from MSFT. For some reason it is on Source Forge and not Microsoft Downloads.

True, it's easier for the person using OOo or other such suite users to save as .doc, but it wouldn't hurt for MSFT Office users to be able to read such formats as well.

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raphoenix
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JDorfler,
Which brings up the point.
MS has made public statements and announcements that it supports Open Source however by its actions, it does not include ODF readers natively in the Office 2007 Suite.
The consumer must hunt for the ODF converters and get them manually so the MS public statements are somewhat "Crafty" to put it in nice terms.
Thanks for posting the reference link.
Kindest Regards,
Rick P. ♥ :)

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jack7h3r1pp3r
Posts: 2815

that is why i am all open source :)

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JDorfler
Posts: 35

Rick P.,
Yeah, I understand and I agree it's a bit (a lot) shady. But I really don't want to bust on any office suite or put my personal preferences above trying to get things done. Their whole idea of supporting an "open format" was to try to create open xml as the defacto open document format. As we all see, it really didn't fly. Since it didn't fly they had to to do something (odf converter add in only available in source forge) and supposedly add support in the Office 2007 SP 2, which I don't know if is available yet or not. As a MSFT stock holder I would like to say I'm sorry to everyone. Well, at least the the 1/1,000,000,000,000 I own says it's sorry. Thinking about it, I think there's more zeros than that on that little fraction.

Sorry for all the linking, but I think it's best for folks to see for themselves. I don't want to be like Alex Jones and just say something is, just Google it, or give a link publicly and it's just a link to my own information that I may or may not have made up.

Regards,
Jason

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JDorfler
Posts: 35

Jack,
Except for WinXP on my WinXP partition, everything else is Open Source on my PC. 90% of the time I'm in Ubuntu anyway, such as now. I have a great link for some useful utilities and apps that are all open source. I hope everyone takes a look and enjoys if you have Win.

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raphoenix
Posts: 14920

@Jack,
@ JDorfler,
GOOD FOLKS !!!! You Guys nailed it on the head.
@Jack,
LOVE your Off-Topic post (pc buting guide) concerning upgrading to a better and faster machine.

Solitaire game is a bit slow on this one.

Kindest Regards,
Rick P. ♥ :)

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jack7h3r1pp3r
Posts: 2815

ya lol :D haha

edit: it was supposed to be buying guide i changed already though

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whs
Posts: 17584

Before you all go overboard on open source I like to remind you that there are nifty programs for little money that are quite useful. I would also like to warn about the freebee security suites. There you really get what you pay for. But there are excellent open source - no doubt. Open Office, Gimp and Firefox are prime examples.

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jack7h3r1pp3r
Posts: 2815

well i don't really have to deal with the security stuff much any more :D

but you are also right whs as usual lol

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JDorfler
Posts: 35

Whs,
Can you give an example of some of the nifty programs for little money? Games don't count. LOL!

You are right about most of the freebee security suites. However, AVG along with SpyBot works great for me. But that's my personal opinion, and I don't use WinXP all that much unless it's to update what I have installed.

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raphoenix
Posts: 14920

@ALL,

Reading the complete thread again, (ALL) comments are True for the topic in my opinion.
Kindest Regards,
Rick P. ♥ :)

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BobJam
Posts: 1052

"Suites" as I understand the term, refers to software with multiple functions, such as Internet Security stuff that includes a firewall, antispyware, antivirus, and in some cases also a rudimentary HIPS. As far as routine apps go, Microsoft Office is a good example of a suite. It includes a wordprocessor, spreadsheet, database, and presentation software.

On the other hand, a dedicated piece only has one function. For example, the ZA firewall (though ZA does make some suites) is a firewall ONLY.

AVG, though I think they do produce a suite, is generally thought of as a dedicated antivirus piece. SpyBot definitely is a dedicated antispyware piece.

The distinction is important for the user, because there are advantages and disadvantages to both.

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whs
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@JDorfler, the ones that come to mind are FastStone Capture for $20 (although there is an old free version), Norton Ghost for $70 (alternatively Acronis for $49,95),Kaspersky and Norton IS for around $60 - but I always managed to get free product keys, and then my favorite: Office 2007 Home and Student for appr. $100 - for that you get a lot of function. Those are the ones I use. But there are a few more on my list once my finance minister releases the funds.
BTW: I was talking about "Security Suites" - Spybot is not in that class. I use it mostely to watch my registry (TeaTimer). Along the same lines I use WinPatrol that watches my filetype associations amongst other things. For scanning I prefer SuperAntiSpyware.

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JDorfler
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You're right. I meant as far as a "suite" goes I use AVG and SpyBot together as my suite so to speak. I find they both compliment each other just fine. My firewall is the Win Firewall that comes installed and integrated into WinXP. However I don't use my WinXP partition to surf or run questionable things.

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