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  • Started 8 years ago by 0zSpitt
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0zSpitt
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i just put a new computer together but i'm getting an error. it will flash "no hard disk detected" then the screen stops at "GRUB hard disk error" i'm not able to do anything but shut it down after that

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raphoenix
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0z,
The usually questions. :) :)
Start here.
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=363355
Kindest Regards,
Rick P.♦:)

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0zSpitt
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i've formatted to ntfs and want to install vista. the disk has been wiped and reformatted. why would GRUB show up?

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ScottW
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Part of GRUB lives in the Master Boot Record (MBR). It may be that whatever you used to wipe the disk did not get the MBR. A format will never wipe the MBR since it is not part of any partition.

You should be booting from some install media. If you install Vista, it will write it's bootloader to the MBR. If you install Ubuntu, it will install GRUB to the MBR. If you want to dual boot, you will have to follow one of those guides for doing fancy bootloader tricks.

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0zSpitt
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i'm not dual booting, just vista will be the only os. i reformatted the hard drive again. i'll see what happens

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0zSpitt
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the second reformat got it. vista is loading. sorry i didn't try hard enough before posting

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0zSpitt
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now vista won't install. it says no drive is found

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JonMCC33
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@raphoenix
Careful when using links with user OzSpitt, doesn't seem to like it when people use them. ;-)

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ScottW
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Oz, I think you need to re-partition, not reformat. If you can't do this from the Vista install disc, there may be some more Linux leftovers. For example, if there was an ext2/3 partition, Vista might not see it. Now might be the time to try DBAN to wipe the disk -- MBR, partition table, all of it.

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0zSpitt
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i did wipe the disk, ill try another hard drive.

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raphoenix
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@JonMCC33,

I thought 0z was trying to do a Linux again.

My mistake.
Kindest Regards,
Rick P.♦:)

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raphoenix
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0z,
ScottW is correct.
You got to knock out the MBR and Partition tables and would also suggest unlocking the Bios raid and doing all drives separately before configuring them back together as you like.

Kindest Regards,
Rick P.♦:)

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0zSpitt
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i tried a second hard drive and it wouldn't load up. i get an error that flashes real quick about a missing gateway. it tells me to be online (it is). the mother board is an asus p5q pro, a seagate 320 gb hdd, and an intel core2 duo e8400. and a lite-on dvd burner.
rick, i don't know what any of that means.

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ScottW
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Oz, what are you booting from when you get this error? Normally, you start by booting from the Vista install disc. When (if?) it finds the hard drive then you partition it and start the install. Part way through the install, the system restarts and needs to boot from the hard drive to continue the install. If your boot list is messed up at this point, you might boot from something else so be sure or use the boot menu (often F12) to pick the hard drive.

The talk of missing gateway and be online sounds like the system is trying to boot from the network. You DO NOT want to boot from the network. You could take that out of your boot list in the BIOS menus.

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0zSpitt
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the only thing on the boot list is the dvd and hard drive. with the vista disk it gets up to where i want to install it, but stops because it doesn't find any hard drive. also that error message shows up when it's going through the start up phases

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raphoenix
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0z,

Check the Boot Order Setup in the Bios Setup.
1. If Multiple HDs Drives, Ensure the the HD you are trying to boot to is Number (1) in the (Secondary Order Screen).
2. In the (Primary Order Screen), order should be something like below:
Floppy
CD
HD
NetWork
Look in Asus Manual for what I mean by Secondary Order Screen and Primary Order Screen.
It is abit hard to explain without pictures. Exact Wording will vary.

Kindest Regards,
Rick P.♦:)

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ScottW
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Oz, these modern Asus boards come with lots of features, some of them may be causing this confusion.

The error message, "no hard disk detected" may be coming from the IDE controller. If you are using all SATA drives, there is nothing attached to the IDE controller so it flashes up that message. That's also why it would go by quickly. If it sat there a long time, it would slow down the boot process.

This motherboard also has ExpressGate, which is the much hyped feature that lets you boot a small Linux environment directly from the motherboard. Since this is a Linux kernel, it might be what is putting up the GRUB message. It would be best to disable ExpressGate in the BIOS for now.

You should go through the all of the BIOS settings and check them. Consult the motherboard for any features you are not familiar with. Also, did you check for and apply a BIOS update?

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raphoenix
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0z,
The technical term for my above post is (RTFM). Asus has greatly improved their documentation over the past 15 years.
Kindest Regards,
Rick P.♦:)

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0zSpitt
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you guys are helping me greatly. another thing i'm finding is every time i shut down and restart one small setting gets where i need it. i've finally got vista installed. now for the asus cd, it's massive!

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raphoenix
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0z,
DON'T FORGET TO GO TO ASUS SITE AND UPDATE BIOS AFTER ALL MACHINE DRIVERS ARE INSTALLED !!!!
Bios probably has had an update since you purchased the MB.
Asus will normally have about (10) during the life of the MB.
Also Expect On-Going Updates for (ALL) Machine Drivers during the life of the MB.

Kindest Regards,
Rick P.♦:)

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jd2066
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> If you are using all SATA drives, there is nothing attached to the IDE controller so it flashes up that message.
Actully SATA drives are a type of IDE. The older type with the wide gray cables that were refered to IDE by many people as it's type is IDE is now known as PATA.
So the BIOS shouldn't have a difference between the two.
Thus your message doesn't make sence as if all the SATA drives are used then there is something attached to the IDE conntroller.

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raphoenix
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jd2066,

The Bios on Builder Boards can be set-up many different ways.
I HAVEN'T READ THE MANUAL ON THE P5Q, nor do I have one, but just know from experience that his Bios has to be set-up correctly because of the configuration multiplicities on Asus boards.
Which reminds me, Intel was suppose to announce the I7s and X58 sometime this week like yesterday which didn't happen ??
Kindest Regards,
Rick P.♦:)

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madmacs
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From what I heard is that they should be going on sale here in Germany at the end of the week. I sure wished that i had waited six months before putting a new PC together, same old story everytime!!! While we wait have a drool over this baby from Asus with some wicked, wicked OCZ 16000 DDR3 memory and a little i7 to finish it off, lol. http://www.guru3d.com/article/.....herboard/1

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raphoenix
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@madmacs,

Yes, remember all those "Check My Build" postings where my comment was to "hold off for a month or two" ??

Wonder if some of the poster's took my advice ??

Will never know I guess. (LOL) (LOL) (LOL)
Now we are talking Real Build. (LOL) (LOL)
Kindest Regards,
Rick P.♦:)

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madmacs
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@Rick,

I sure as hell wished I´d of found HTG six months ago, then i would have definately of waited. Sadly in the world of computers either you wait a lifetime, or get conned into buying the "NEW" soon to be outdated (i.e. in 2 hours) stuff, lol

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0zSpitt
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jd, thats exactly what was coming up as "no hard drive detected" i disabled that and the gateway thing, reset everything according to the howtogeek bible-o-build and it was screaming. my restart into vista home premium was less than 30 seconds. now i'm wiping the hard drive because i had to see what all the cd's were about that came with everything. most were junk programs. ill reinstall vista, the drivers, nod32 and do a norton ghost back up. now i need to find something to do with a $1000 dell xps tower.
the antec1200 is fairly quiet even though it has 5 - 120mm fans and a 200mm at the top. there's so much room in that thing i could rent out space.

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raphoenix
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@madmacs,
This is true.
Six months ago, is a long time so you didn't do to bad.
Intel caught me also with that RamBus Ram change and took me to the "cleaners" several years ago.
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It's the folks that I warned a month or so ago that I (don't) feel sorry for !!
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I posted the fact that there was a big change coming pretty quickly so if they ignored my post; then they will have to live with their mistake.
LET'S TAKE THIS TO OFF-TOPIC AND LET (0z) CONTINUE WITH BUILD HELP.
Kindest Regards,
Rick P.♦:)

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ScottW
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JD, I just can't get used to this new nomenclature. Wikipedia says that the old IDE was retroactively renamed PATA. That's nice -- I'm sure they went back and changed all of the written literature, but they didn't rewrite my brain! Also, the Asus manuals still refer to an IDE connector and it says "IDE" on the silkscreen. But, I will try.

Oz, your P5Q Pro motherboard has 3 drive controllers. The ICH10 Southbridge for SATA 1-6, a PATA-only controller, and a second SATA-only controller for connectors 7 & 8. That's a lot of storage capability! The P5E3 Deluxe board that I worked on recently had only 2 controllers, but it would flash a message "No any drive detected" from the PATA controller which had nothing connected. I suppose that you are lucky if you only see one such message since you probably have 2 controllers with no drives attached.

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0zSpitt
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scott, i do have one other screen that appears down the left hand side. it has a red header on it, but it has so much writing i'm not able to catch what it is yet. there are a lot of sata plugs, i found the orange and white sata e1 and sata e2 wouldn't notice my hard drive or dvd.
thanks for the help, the cold air got to me today. i'm off to bed at 7pm.

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ScottW
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Oz, that other screen with the colored text is probably the Intel RAID splash screen. If you hit <Ctrl-I> during boot it will take you into the RAID controller setup menu. That's how it is on the P5E3 as well -- that RAID screen goes by so fast you can't read it. Stay warm!

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ScottW
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Here are the two screens that I mentioned before from the Asus P5E3 Deluxe -- the PATA controller reporting no drives found and the Intel RAID screen. These are video output captures, so they are a little fuzzy.

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0zSpitt
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i have the second one on my xps, except the raid. i'm waiting for a few small parts to arrive before i completely set it up. i have a glass and steel frame desk and the wires are ran through clear tubes. it will take several hours to set it all up.

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ScottW
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Oz, I've heard of case modders, but not desk modders! I would like to see a glass and steel desk with wires running through clear tubes. You should post a picture of your setup, when it's ready. Do you know of any other desk modders that might already have pics posted? I have got to see this.

My home theater components sit on glass and metal shelves, but I never thought of running the cables through clear tubes.

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0zSpitt
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the clear tube i picked up at lowes, cut a slit lengthwise and screwed to the desk framing. i got the computer set up, i added 4 gigs of ram, installed eset, and vista updates. did a norton ghost back-up then i ran the index base score in vista. everything was 5.9 except the junk graphics card i put it. it rated 4.7. that will be taken care of real quick. i'll get some pictures as soon as i finish the wire management. again, thanks for the help

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0zSpitt
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now about memory. i installed 4 gigs. on another computer i installed 4 gigs and got a screen that said i had too much memory. if i dont get this screen on this computer does it mean i can use 4 gigs with no problems?

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raphoenix
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@0z,

Look at your exact MB Model SKU for (Maximum Memory Supported)
Then take into consideration how much memory addressing your Vista Edition Supports (32/64).
You will want to run in Dual Channel Mode so pick memory module's size accordingly.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/.....7&y=28
That will be the end of memory supported.

Kindest Regards,
Rick P.♦:)

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0zSpitt
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the max is 16, vista 32 works around 3+ gigs? i'll keep it the way it is for now...

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raphoenix
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0z,
4 sticks of 1 Gig or 2 sticks of 2 Gig are what I think? most run.
Speed will vary according to MB Spec Supported and Budget.
Use all the Same Brand Modules for Good Compatibility.

Kindest Regards,
Rick P.♦:)

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