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How to Triple Boot Win 7 / 8 / Linux Mint 14

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  • Started 4 years ago by archp2008
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archp2008
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I currently have Windows 7 and Windows 8 on adjacent partitions on my notebook 750gb hard drive. I have also created a dvd with Linux Mint 14 (Mate) on it which seems to be working ok. I have created a third 10 gb partition which I hope to use for the Linux Mint 14. That partition is presently formatted to NTFS using Easeus Partition Maker 9. I didn't check to see if ext formatting is an option. Can someone please spell out or point me to step by step instructions that I need to follow from here. In particular I am vague in my mind about the manual partitioning requirements when I go to that option in the installation of the Linux Mint. Do I need to manually create several partitions, e.g. boot, swap, etc.? What can I expect the booting options to look like after the installation. Should I setup the booting for Win 7 and Win8 with EasyBCD at first? At the moment I am getting the graphics dual boot screen that was automatically created when I installed Windows 8. I would really like to have this to work the first try. Thanks in advance for any comments and/or suggestions for avoiding a mess.

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raphoenix
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Is the machine using an EFI Bios ??

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whs
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DON'T DO IT. You are going to get yourself into an awful mess. Install Mint into a virtual partition with VMware. That is A LOT easier and more flexible. (watch the demo in the second link)

Here is a tutorial I made for Installing Zorin (another Ubuntu derivetive) and I used the same method to install Mint. Do yourself a favor and proceed that way.

Btw: Since I have Mint and Zorin I can compare. Zorin is a lot nicer and easier to use for a Windows person. Have a look here.

PS: You don't need any partition. The VMware installation will be a folder in your Documents (or wherever you choose). You only need 10 to 20GB of space on your C partition (initially you need about 6GB but it will probably grow).

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hArLtRoN
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I wouldn't install a Linux OS on the same disk as ANY Windows installation. Linux installs GRUB bootloader and I personally hate it. Use whs's suggestion with the virtual machine. Make sure you have enough RAM for the virtual machine AND your host machine to run.

I made the mistake (in my opinion) a few years ago of installing Ubuntu 10 (I think that was the version) and Windows 7 on my PC. GRUB was extremely hard to get rid of and was just a nightmare.

Keep in mind some of what I said is personal bias because of my experience with dual booting Windows 7 and Ubuntu. It may be different for you.

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whs
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" I wouldn't install a Linux OS on the same partition as ANY Windows installation "

I think you meant THE SAME DISK - not partition.

PS: Regarding RAM - Linux runs well in 1GB, even 512MB. But I give it always 2GB and 2 CPU cores because I have 8GB and 8 cores.

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hArLtRoN
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Oops. Yes I meant SAME DISK. Thanks for catching that! :)

I edited my original post so it is now correct.

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presence1960
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Why are people afraid to have someone install linux as a full installation to hard disk? is it because of inexperience? I have been holding my tongue for a long time but can not any longer. Linux like any other OS is made to be installed on a hard disk. PERIOD. Virtualizatuion is a viable option, but to sit here and say not to install linux on a hard disk is really crazy!

GRUB is so easy to get rid of, if you know how. If you don't know how ask someone who does. Isn't that how you all learned Windows?

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raphoenix
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@whs

I need a link to your AIK version of Marcium imaging ISO. Search doesn't work anymore.

Thanks,

@presence1960,

It only becomes a problem if OP doesn't understand UEFI Bios, Windows 8 and Dual booting Linux issues.

Rick P.

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hArLtRoN
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@Rick,
I think this is what you want.

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whs
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Rick, here it is. I just updated it to the latest Macrium version.

https://skydrive.live.com/?cid=475a0a48ca6d4035&provision=1&ref=3&wa=wsignin1.0&sa=412485191#cid=475A0A48CA6D4035&id=475A0A48CA6D4035%211812

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raphoenix
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@WHS,

The Update is what I Need. :) :)

You do much for all of us.

Thanks,

Rick P.

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hArLtRoN
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Rick,
I think so. Its the same link whs posted just after me

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whs
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@ presence1960, that's all nice and dandy what you say. But for a first time Linux user, the virtual way is a LOT easier. I have bailed out many OPs that got stuck with the GRUB and did not know how to get out of it.

It is easy for you to say that a full installation is better - you are a Linux Pro. But give a man that wants to try it out a chance. If you install in VMware, all you have to do to get rid of it is to delete a folder.

The other advantages are that you can copy that folder to an external disk and then run it on any machine (my Zorin and Mint are on an external disk ). And when you operate in VMware with tools, you can communicate easily between the host and the guest and move files and folders both ways with a simple Copy/Paste.

I have tried about a dozen Linux distros ranging from Fedora to DSL (always virtual). Most of them I did not like and the uninstall was 2 clicks. Now I finally found Zorin. I love this distro and do not feel alienated any more. I use it a lot and when I run it in VMware (from my external SSD) I do not notice any difference to running an OS that is installed on the internal disk.

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whs
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Rick, I figured that you needed that for EFI.

PS: I don't do a lot. If the 'facilities' were more user friendly, I would do a lot more.

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presence1960
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The person should have an image(s) in case anything goes wrong and a working back up of all data. We all should have these anyway no matter what. The only way someone is going to learn is to try. But what really irks me is we are making the choice for the person based on our biases. To say "Don't do it!" is totally out of line. I say "either way is viable it is the persons choice". I specifically joined this forum to learn more about windows and haven't been disappointed. However versed we are in any oS is beside the point because we all were noobs at the beginning and had to learn in steps through trial and error. Don't deprive others of their learning curve. As one of my fav sayings goes "Rome wasn't built in a day". Rome started out with two people Romulus and Remus. Very unassuming and very lacking in anything. Eventually Rome ruled half the known world. Allow people to make their paths all the time being there to help. You know why I know a little about linux? Because I got my hands dirty and made plenty of mistakes. But the other ubuntu forum members were there to help me. That's how I learned.

Nothing is foolproof even virtualization. Someone will find a way to foul that up too or a weird error can occur. No software is immune from that.

P.S. I just want you to know this is in no way personal. I really like HTG. whs I have that pdf you posted on skydrive with all your video tutorials. I like most of them they are great. I just don't believe we should be steering people away from installing linux on a hard disk because we couldn't do it successfully. many, many people do it everyday and it is not hard as you say it is.

Aperson wanting to do this should really read about dual booting and GRUB before creating the Live CD/USB and attempting the install. Linux is not hard, it is just different than windows. The installation process is totally as far as you can get from a windows install. If someone expects linux to be like windows, then there is no need to install linux if they already have windows. Let the people decide which way to install. Then we will be there to help if needed. That's how they will learn, just as we learned.

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raphoenix
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@Bob,

I think you misinterpret what advice is given.

Remember most Responders run large multi-disk or multi-SSD Builder machines.

Personality, I would never advise anyone to dual boot any one disk OEM Laptop or such.

OEM machines just don't have the capabilities of Builder machines so OPs get into problems quickly.

Dual Booting is sorta-kinda Tacky Computing on a shoe string budget machine.

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presence1960
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@ Rick-I understand that. It is possible, but must be researched and planned out on OEMs. Dells in particular are problematic with their useless utility partition and the System Reserved. You have to blow the utility partition out, shrink windows using disk management then install linux. Of course after you have imaged your disk.That's where imaging comes in, in case of mishap. Some OEMs already have 4 primary partitions on a BIOS mbr disk
based machine. I am dual booting a Toshiba Satellite with one disk. Never had a problem with it and my 10 year old daughter uses it a great deal. Hasn't fouled up with a 10 year old using it. And yes she uses linux too, as well as windows 7 & 8, and OSX.

Certain cases absolutely may not be good to do. But I am not commenting based on this thread only. There are plenty of people besides myself who are versed in getting OEMs to dual boot, you know where you can find them, on that other forum.

In my experience I have never had a machine other than a Vaio that I couldn't set up a dual boot with GRUB on MBR.

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presence1960
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Now that we have had a discussion did we ask the OP what method he prefers to use to install Mint? Seems other than his linux partition being formatted as NTFS, which he can change when he does install, he is pretty well set up partition wise. I would still like to see the partition table. Boot from the Live DVD and when desktop loads open a terminal and run sudo fdisk -l ....that is a dask and lowercase L at end of that command

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whs
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BTW: Dell is one of the few OEMs that does not have a System Partition. They put the bootmgr into the Recovery Partition.

And don't worry about ther OP. He may not come back - 80% of the first time posters do not come back.

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raphoenix
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(LOL) :) The OP has to answer my FIRST posting in the topic thread before we can proceed.

Also I failed to mention that many young OPs on HTG do not have Parents who are knowledgeable about computing so they don't have the help at home if we Responders by chance mess up their computers with good intentioned advice.

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presence1960
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Sorry whs, recall that's why I joined HTG to become more versed in windows, but I think you get the point.

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whs
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No problem. I just wanted to set the record straight.

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presence1960
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I just realized what I need to do. I joined here to increase my windows knowledge and that is going to be my only function here. When it comes to linux I will stick to ubuntu forums where most people want to learn about linux, especially dual boot or multi boot installations (including on OEMs) since most people going to linux have specialty software that will run only in windows or are gamers or don't want to ditch windows altogether. I think it is safe to say my linux talents are put to better use in there. Problem solved.

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whs
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I think you are right. People that come here with Linux questions are normally Windows users that want to experiment with a Linux distro. They need no hard core Linux installation and wrestle with the GRUB, the linux partition formats, etc.. For those guys we should make it easy to get in and out of Linux as smoothly as possible.

Now once in a while there is an OP who is using Linux as main OS. Questions that those people have fall more into your area of competence and your skills will be very valuable to answer their questions. So why don't you play it by ear.

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presence1960
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Thanks whs, but I think it better to do what I say. if they have questions about linux they can find me in ubuntu forums, I go by same screen name in there. They can even PM me from ubuntu forums. Plus there are a vast amount of experienced linux users in that forum besides myself who want to help those with problems. I want to increase my windows knowledge and will stick to that in here. Better do one thing well than many badly.

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whs
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I am a member of the Linux forums and ask questions there. The guys are very nice but the answers come in small doses. I also tried the Zorin forum, but they were not so nice and I dropped it. Besides they had a very strange forum engine that was really retarded. I think I even have a membership in the Ubuntu forum but have not used it in years.

PS: Yeah, I just looged into the Ubuntu forum. They still remembered me, LOL.

Maybe you can answer a question right here: How do I increase the DPI of the screen. In Windows I run with a DPI of 150% (because of my poor vision). In Zorin and Mint I have not found that setting.

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whs
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@ presence - I just made a post on the Ubuntu forum. My previous post was from 2010. But I have 11 beans - is that good or bad ??

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presence1960
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No more linux in HTG for me. You guys seem very intent on keeping the status quo however right or wrong that may be. I will not rock the boat, I just want to learn more about windows. So I respectfully will not participate in or answer anything to do with linux in HTG. I will do my linux work in ubuntu forums when I have the time to do so.

I am quite sure if you post in ubuntu forums my friends in there will get you a quick response. Sorry, it has to be this way for everyone's peace.

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whs
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The first thing I got with my first post after 3 years absence is that some eager mod moved and changed my post (I had used a different font size because else the text got lost between my pics). It was a thread about Desktop shortcuts. Several fellows posted their experience and problems - so did I with a couple of snips from Zorin. But since it came from Zorin, the mod moved it to "Other Distros"where it will probably rot.

Now I know why I did not like the Ubuntu forum. Changing my post without asking is not something I appreciate. I guess my next post will be in another 3 years.

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presence1960
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Don't take it personally whs, every forum has "rules" and etiquette. HTG and Ubuntu forums are no exception. They have rules about pic size and fonts, as well as lengthy text. On lengthy text you are supposed to use Wrap [Code] on the toolbar to place lengthy text. You don't have to like ubuntu forums, all my friends can't be your friends and vice versa. But that doesn't stop us from getting along. That doesn't mean everyone in ubuntu forums is a friend of mine. However I have made more than a few from that forum over the years from the world over. We stay in touch off the forum as well.

What would happen in here if someone started a thread about Linux under the Windows 8 sub-forum, or posted a windows Vista thread under Linux sub-forum? Probably the same thing or something very similar I would surmise. The main substance of ubuntu forums is ubuntu. There is "other distros" sub-forum which are for other versions of linux and yes windows too that are not ubuntu. Better to do one thing well than many badly!

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presence1960
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I just looked at your thread. I would say you were given good service. It seems someone even tried Zorin in Virtualization to see if he could help solve your issue, which according to your response did. It would seem to me you got taken care of, whether it was in a different sub-forum or not does not matter. You posted and someone answered and went beyond that, even checked Zorin in virtualization for you. And found a workaround that you can use. I think you are just upset because your thread was moved and your angst is preventing you from seeing the help you received.

With all this being said the last two days I still like what you have to offer when it comes to windows. So hopefully you and I can build on that.

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whs
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You are right. Some white knight finally came to my rescue. Moving my posting to another subforum was OK - but he also changed my posting. And I don't like when mods change my postings without asking. I may be a novice in Linux but I am not a forum novice.

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gregoryshock125
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Personally I found the advice of whs and presence1960 to be helpful. But there is something I feel needs to be added here. The op asks a question He or she wants an answer to their question. What I see here is people trying to steer them away from the answer they are seeking. It's ok to advise against something, but after you say your part, it is counter productive to argue about it. I really don't like what I read here today because I don't want to loose contact with either of you two.

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whs
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These things are permissable (I think) if the OP never shows up agaian. Then the thread becomes quasi off-topic. But in principle you are right. A live thread where the OP participates should not be cluttered with arguments.

I think it all started with my last post on the first page.

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presence1960
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Greg, you don't have to lose contact with either of us. If you would like to chat about linux PM me on Ubuntu Forums and I will give you my email address. I have come to the conclusion here that HTG is 99.9% strictly a windows forum and the consensus on here is to steer people away from learning linux in favor of installing in virtualization. I really like HTG because I joined only to become more knowledgeable about Windows. I am uncomfortable with what transpired here as well. I do not want to rock the boat. But I will not accept that installing linux is dangerous unless it is in virtual, whether you are new to it or not. Everyone was new to something at one point. You have to start learning at the beginning. So the only solution for me is to let the present powers to be have their way and not participate at all on HTG in reference to linux, but rather continue as I have on Ubuntu Forums where people are actually knowledgeable about linux and an atmosphere of learning and teaching linux is prevalent. On HTG I want to learn more about windows and that will be my sole purpose for being here. I am truly sorry if this affected you in a negative way.

P.S. I don't want to lose contact with you Greg or whs either.

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