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hArLtRoN
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I have all the supplies to make a crossover cable (crimper, cable, connectors).

My question is how do I share the internet from DESKTOP A to DESKTOP B with a crossover cable?

DESKTOP A has a wireless card and DESKTOP B doesn't.

DESKTOP A is running Windows 7 and DESKTOP B is running Linux Mint.

I am going to put Windows 7 on DESKTOP B but I want to have internet first.

Any help is appreciated.

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CompWiz
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Once your crossover cable is all set and done share your Windows connection.

Once in network and sharing center click on "change adapter settings" towards your left hand side.

Assuming you're connecting wirelessly on the Win7 PC right-click on the wireless connection>click on the sharing tab and check the box to enable sharing(underneath that option you might have to choose Local Area Connection).

After that, connect the crossover cable to the machines and if you played the cards right you should be able to have internet access on both machines.

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hArLtRoN
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I'm running into a problem. The 1st image is what Windows 7 shows and Linux has the connected symbol in the "start bar" but no internet connectivity.

This is how I wired each end

I've restarted both computers just to see if it did anything.

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CompWiz
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Are you getting a typical 'no connection' error in the Linux machine?

Can you tell that the NIC cards on the machines are flickering?

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hArLtRoN
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This is what Linux shows:

The NIC light on the Wireless desktop is solid orange and the NIC light on Linux is a solid greenish/orange

Flashing light orange on Wireless desktop flash green on Linux

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CompWiz
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Sounds like you may have something configured wrong in the Linux side...do you know how get the ip address through terminal? I forgot..sorry. Will look into it though.

Can you post an image for your wireless connection's 'properties' window(where you enabled sharing)?

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hArLtRoN
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$ /sbin/ifconfig displays IP info.

Give me a min to get info from Linux

Will post share image in one sec.

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hArLtRoN
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hArLtRoN
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CompWiz
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ip address seems correct.

Try rebooting all your devices including your internet devices such as modem and/or router..(if you haven't tried)

You have the 'check' the box underneath the other option.

Look at this;

http://www.techtipsgeek.com/sh.....ble/13365/

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hArLtRoN
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I can't reboot router and stuff because my step-dad is doing school work.

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hArLtRoN
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Here is IP on Windows PC

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CompWiz
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And you are able to go online in the Windows PC correct?

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GuiltySpark
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Harltron ,

I don't think what you're trying is possible.

But the crossover cabling is wrong anyway, what you need to do is completely reverse the ends for example let's say you are using 4 wires (just coz its easier to write).

Blue.
White.
Brown.
Orange.

The other end would be...

Orange.
Brown.
White.
Blue.

However I'm not sure if it makes a difference with net connection (as I said before I don't think its possible this way), but you only need the two end wires in this case :

Blue.
-
-
Orange.

Orange.
-
-
Blue.

The wires in between are irrelevant in a standard crossover.

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hArLtRoN
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Yes. I have been posting from the Windows 7 PC.

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hArLtRoN
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I will change the wire order and post back.

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CompWiz
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GS, it is possible. I have a Win7 sharing its connection to a XP machine via crossover cable.

This is how your crossovercable should look like;

https://www.howtogeek.com/89309/how-to-make-your-own-crossover-network-cable/

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hArLtRoN
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@CompWiz,
My cable looks like the one in the link you provided

@GS,
I will still try your suggestion with the wire order to see if it makes a difference.

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CompWiz
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hArLtRoN, actually it's different.

Look closely at the on to the right in the link I provided.

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GuiltySpark
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Harltron ,

The way I suggested is for standard crossovers, network crossovers may well be different as CompWiz points out.

@ CompWiz ,

I have never tried to link two machines in this way so was unsure (cheers mate), but I was thinking along the lines of two very different OSs running through the windows drivers, its an interesting experiment. :)

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CompWiz
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GS, I see what you mean.

I had doubts too when trying this for the first time about 3-4 months ago.

Cheers!

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hArLtRoN
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@CompWiz,
I guess your right. I overlooked that, oops. Let me change and post back.

@GS,
I'm gonna go with CompWiz for now. If it doesn't work with the cable wired CORRECTLY then I will try yours.

Thanks for your guys help :)

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hArLtRoN
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I am just going to skip the crossover with Linux. I am installing Windows 7 right now. Will post back once I get 7 installed and hopefully with internet.

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raphoenix
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Correct crossover connection for CAT 5e

Another way of looking at it.

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hArLtRoN
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@Rick,
Is it the same for CAT6?

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raphoenix
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Xhi
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Short answer, Yes.

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raphoenix
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AH, let the folks learn and do. (LOL) :) :)

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hArLtRoN
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Does anyone have any suggestions to keep the wires in the correct order while inserting into the plug????? I've probably wasted 4 or 5 inches now.

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Xhi
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Thumb and forefinger gently squeezed usually works for me.

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hArLtRoN
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@Xhi,
How much of the wires do you have outside of the sheath?

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Xhi
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When I've done it they just slip into the slots then you push in the sheath und clamp.

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hArLtRoN
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Okay thanks.

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Xhi
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When I've done it they just slip into the slots then you push in the sheath und clamp.

I start by stripping at least 1 inch of the main cable insulation then arrange the wires in the proper sequence and then carefully trim the eight internal wires using the factory assembled end as a guide to the proper length. Just make sure that each wire is equal length and that the connector cable lock pinches the main cable insulation.

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hArLtRoN
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Alright thanks, that's helpful! :)

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Xhi
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I edited the post, you may have missed the add on.

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G41M
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The untwisted part of the wire that will go into the RJ-45 connector cannot exceed 1/2". This would ensure that the outer jacket will be crimped inside the rj45 connector which is the proper way.

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raphoenix
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You can burn the insulation off with a match or lighter and then clean the carbon residue off but the McGyver method tends to get a bit messy.

Have done this in a pinch. (LOL)

Rick P.

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hArLtRoN
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@Xhi,
I saw your edit.

@G41M,
That's what I need to know. Do you have any suggestions on how to keep the wire order correct? What keeps happening to me is that I get them correct and as soon as I let go of the pressure with my fingers they move and are no longer correct in the connector.

@Rick,
I tried that before and it was defiantly messy!

The other thing making it harder is the cable I got has a plastic thing that runs the entire length of the cord. It keeps the different colored cords separated. Doesn't help at all for custom cables!

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G41M
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Using the thumb and forefinger, pick the 1st wire (orange/white,leftmost, to be inserted to the connector with the hook underneath). Then get the second wire (orange) and align it to the 1st and so on. It is important that wires are untangled (since they are twisted pairs) and in correct order at the outer jacket end and no spaces in between. A bit of sliding pressure with the other hand will straighten the wires and make it stable when inserting.

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hArLtRoN
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@Rick,
I used the diagram you listed in an above post but all that did was make a normal cable. I tried it between my wireless desktop (DESKTOP A) and my non-wireless desktop (DESKTOP B) and it showed another network but no network access on DESKTOP B. I went downstairs to my router and plugged my newly made cable from the router to my family desktop and it functioned just like a normal cable.

So I think I'm just going to quit with this project because I don't have the money to be wasting all of this cable just to have it not work.

Thank you all for your input and suggestions!

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hArLtRoN
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@G41M,
Your suggestion worked for getting the end on easier. Thank you!

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hArLtRoN
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Alright, so scratch what I said about quiting. I decided one more time to make a crossover cable and IT WORKED!! I used the wiring setup from http://www.littlewhitedog.com/content-8.html. I am posting from my non-wirless computer via a crossover cable. The only thing I am curious about is that I am currently using my laptop as a "router" to forward the internet to my non-wireless computer. I'm going to try tomorrow with my desktop.

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hArLtRoN
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Does anyone know why I can share the internet from my really old wireless laptop, but not from my almost brand new wireless desktop, even though they are configured the same?

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Xhi
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Different software???

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hArLtRoN
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No, both computers are running Windows 7, one is x64 and other is x86.

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Xhi
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Sounds like different software to me.

Different drivers??? Hardware??

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hArLtRoN
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I guess it is in a way.

I'm not sure what you mean about different drivers. The computer have two different network cards if that's what you mean

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hArLtRoN
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This is what shows up on the non-wireless computer. I want to add that my wireless computer can see the non-wireless one. On the non-wireless PC, my wireless one shows up as an INTERNET GATEWAY.

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Xhi
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Yes, different network cards means different drivers.

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hArLtRoN
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I thought so. Do you know of a way to get them to communicate?

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CompWiz
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I don't think that because one is a x64 bit system and the other is a x86 system has something to do with your issue. My laptop which is running Win7 64bit is sharing it's connection with my WinXP 32bit desktop.

Although, it can be a driver issue(check for updates) but not because they are different in architecture.

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hArLtRoN
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@CompWiz,
Ok, how bout this? My laptop (x86) has an Intel LAN card, my non-wireless desktop (x86) has an Intel LAN card.

My wireless desktop (x64) has a Realtek LAN card. The wireless card is TP-LINK

Could that be why the non-wireless desktop isn't communicating with my wireless desktop?

I'm updating drivers now

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hArLtRoN
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I update all of my network cards drivers but I still can't share the internet from my wireless desktop to my non-wireless desktop. The non-wireless is connected but with NO INTERNET ACCESS.

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CompWiz
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I don't see why that should affect it, as I mentioned I have something very similar to this working at home.

Post once you have updated that network drivers.

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hArLtRoN
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I have the drivers updated on my wireless desktop (wireless card and LAN card) and non-wireless desktop (LAN card)

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CompWiz
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Any luck so far?

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hArLtRoN
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Kinda. I have internet when plugged into my laptop, but not the desktop. I think I'm just gonna stick with the laptop connection for now.

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raphoenix
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Too many irons in the fire !!

Which computer will NOT connect to the router and does it have a LAN port ??

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hArLtRoN
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@Rick,
I'm not trying to connect to the router. I want to share my internet from my wireless desktop (DESKTOP A) to my non-wireless desktop (DESKTOP B). DESKTOP A connects to my router WIRELESSLY perfectly, no problems at all. The problem is sharing DESKTOP A's internet to DESKTOP B

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raphoenix
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This is your EXACT situation but you have both computers running Windows 7 RIGHT ????
http://ask.metafilter.com/2112.....a-wired-PC
Post Back

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hArLtRoN
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That is EXACTLY what I want to do! Both are Windows 7, one is x64 and one is x86.

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raphoenix
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Read the the description in the link again.

Makes no difference which is connected wireless to the router.

Will use a Cross Over Cable and Make a BRIDGE connection.

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hArLtRoN
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I know it doesn't make a difference which is connected to router.

I have the crossover cable made and it WORKS.

To BRIDGE a connection, you highlight both the WIRELESS card and LAN card, right click and choose BRIDGE CONNECTIONS? Correct?

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raphoenix
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That should be Correct although MS instructions say to use ICS with a Hub.

We shall try to McGyver the setup.

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hArLtRoN
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Thank you so much Rick!!! I always look forward to your answers when you pop up. I did the NETWORK BRIDGE, restarted the non-wireless PC and I have internet on it now! Thanks again!

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raphoenix
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How about a solved ?? :) ;)

I could use one as Spouse got a traffic ticket today. (LOL) (LOL)

Rick P.

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hArLtRoN
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Definatly solved with your answer!!

That sucks! Is it a bad one??

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raphoenix
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Both Solved.

You made a Bridge and I lend wife a 50 so ALL are happy. :) :)

Rick P.

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hArLtRoN
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All are! Thank you again!

I've wondered this for a while, how do you get your icon above your username to animate?

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CompWiz
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Thanks for the help Rick P. and glad you finally got this to work hArLtRoN.

You what the funny part is?

I had problems BRIDGING! my setup at home. And that's when I decided to just share the connection. LOL

I am still confused as to why you such trouble sharing the connection.

But the good thing is that you are now connected!

Good job guys.

Cheers!

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hArLtRoN
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@CompWiz,
I too wonder why I had such trouble with the sharing. Oh well at least I'm connected now :)

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raphoenix
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I Cheat.

http://windows.microsoft.com/e.....ork-bridge

http://windows.microsoft.com/e.....ork-bridge

Disregard the warning on the page. (LOL) ;)

Rick P.

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hArLtRoN
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Your not going to give up your secret are you??

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raphoenix
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It all began in the 1960s when I stole a couple of books on electronics from my high school library.

I did return the books by mail some 30 years later. (LOL) (LOL)

True Story !!

Rick P.

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hArLtRoN
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Ahh I see (LOL) (LOL)

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