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  • Started 4 years ago by MrXindeed
  • Latest reply from vistamike
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MrXindeed
Posts: 2

The new layout sucks.
Too busy, complicated, and just plain ugly

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vistamike
Posts: 10945

E pluribus unum

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afuhnk
Posts: 309

So this guy doesn't like the layout but doesn't want to say it under his known alias so he creates a new one to say just that.

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gedstar
Posts: 521

It's just like Windows 8 it will grow on you! :)

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Lighthouse
Posts: 13598

afuhnk, the OP appears to be a genuine first timer.

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LadyFitzgerald
Posts: 2232

Yeah, Windows 8 will grow on you alright...like a wart.

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gedstar
Posts: 521

Actually like my new wart have two of them in fact :)

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StringJunky
Posts: 2454

Hi Mrxindeed

I beg to differ, The Geek's design ethic is minimalist on par with my mother's so it's really not busy. :) The design is more ergonomic and efficient from a user perspective....form is following function which is consistent in my mind with the mindset of a proper geek like Lowell. The font-type of the nav bar is maybe a little too plain and too big for me but then again that assists the poorly-sighted of which there are a few on here I know of so really my taste is negated in favour of utility to the widest possible user base.

Tony

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Lighthouse
Posts: 13598

As it happens, I don't like it either.

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Straspey
Posts: 556

Chacun à son goût

And - for all you Canadians out there...

Chacun à son goût, eh ?

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Lighthouse
Posts: 13598

Yeah yeah Stras, just cos I said it once in English :)

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The Geek
Posts: 2059

Every time we make the slightest change, we receive hate mail from people that are used to the old design. The funny thing is that quite often the people that are complaining, are the same ones that complained the last time we made a design change.

So I've learned that what really matters is what actually works, validated by user testing.

The new design is much faster, the ads load better, and pinning the top navigation bar accomplishes a number of goals: People can easily jump to the home page, the Search feature is very obvious (we used to get emails weekly because people couldn't find the search box), and the Subscribe feature is easily accessible.

Most importantly, the content is a lot higher on the page now when you visit an article - instead of the top ad being above the design (which I always hated), now it's integrated into the header. It makes the entire site load more smoothly, and more of the article is on the screen right away.

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Straspey
Posts: 556

Many people have problems with "change", to any greater or lesser extent. The resistance to change seems to be an integral part of our basic human nature. We become comfortable with our routines, and develop a sense of security around certain elements of those routines - as they provide us with security in an-otherwise unsecure and unpredictable world around us.

Some people find certain types of changes more disturbing than others.

In my case, I am very "brand-loyal" regarding certain products I purchase on a regular basis, and have become accustomed to those products having always been available. So, for instance, when the company which manufactures my favorite cologne, or brand of toothpaste, or sneakers, suddenly discontinues that product, it upsets my "routine" and I probably become more affected by it than I should -- and it takes me a while to find a replacement.

All of us who have been regular members on various websites have witnessed significant changes like this at one time or another. And The Geek's point about the source of hate mail is very telling - because it comes from the same people every time - those who have trouble with this particular type of change.

Now, I may have missed it because I was very busy last week with work and not around all that much - but perhaps there could have been an announcement or some other type of notification advising everybody that the board is about to change and will have a new look - and describe those elements which will be different.

In any case - we really need to keep in mind the amount of time and effort The Geek and the Mods put in here to write all those helpful articles, answer our questions and offer assistance in times of need, and keep this site fresh and new on a daily basis.

We will all get used to the slight changes - until next time.

I do have one question though:

I noticed the HTG Favicon on my bookmarks menu in Firefox has changed from the smiling Geek, to a black box with the letters "HTG". I don't understand how or why this happened, and would be interested to learn the answer.

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Lighthouse
Posts: 13598

The Geek changed the icon.

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Straspey
Posts: 556

Well - that fixes it !

Now I'm going to have to find a new favorite tech site -- ;->

Thanks LH

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vistamike
Posts: 10945

Please remember that the 'overhaul' is still Work in Progress.

Lowell needs to sleep as well

Mike

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LadyFitzgerald
Posts: 2232

Lowell needs to sleep? I though all Geeks didn't need sleep!

Over all, I like the new look. The few bugs there were are being fixed as they are found (face it, bugs happen; it's a fact of life). I like that I don't have to scroll as far down the home page to see everything new and that I don't have to scroll back up to get into Discussion. The only criticism I have is that I personally feel that Discussion should have been left as Forums to make it easier for new people to the site to find them but it's not that big of a deal to me; the improvements outweigh that picky, little concern.

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bubbatie1
Posts: 1322

im just appreciative we all have this awesome site " MR GEEK" provides us ! do what ya gotta do , we will adapt! thanks again Lowell, YOUR WORK IS APPRECIATED HERE !

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SarahJames
Posts: 6581

LOL, my first thought was hmmmm, I don't really like this. But then I realised that's what I thought the last time and I'll readily admit I'm not good at change.
I think changes are necessary, even if we don't always like it, because when you take a look at sites that were created years ago and haven't changed you'll definitely notice they look dated.
And I really like that images load a lot faster now - things are getting better and better 'under the hood' :)

(Though secretly I must admit I hope we don't go too much with the Windows 8 look - Win8 is ugly and if we talk about looking dated ...)

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LadyFitzgerald
Posts: 2232

Your opinion of Win 8 is charitable compared to mine.

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SarahJames
Posts: 6581

@ LF - Haha! I can be charitable, since I know I won't have to change OS for a long time to come ;)
I would be less than pleased if for some reason I'd be forced to get me a computer with win8 preinstalled <ugh!!!>

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raphoenix
Posts: 14920

I really LIKE the New HTG Layout.

The header is clean, uncluttered and the drop down menus are efficient.

As for Windows 8 running on the OEM machines shipping now, Discussion Responders had better get up to speed with UEFI Bios and GPT Disk Structure because the questions will be coming soon. :)

Rick P.

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LadyFitzgerald
Posts: 2232

@ Sarah. LOL! I'm in the same boat; I'm sticking with Win 7 until it's last dying gasp.

@ Rick. And I'll be one of the first with questions.

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hatryst
Posts: 3482

I like it. 'nuff said :)

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Kelen
Posts: 283

I like the front page layout. Then I noticed that I didn't know how to get to the forums... I felt like I just reorganized my room for the first time in years and am having trouble remembering where I put things.

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whs
Posts: 17584

I did not even notice that there was a new design, LOL. I am still waiting for HTG to migrate to a modern engine with creature comforts. That would make work here a lot easier and more pleasant.

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ian2
Posts: 632

I will compare the site to Christmas advertising everyone complains about them ,
but then they go right out and buy gifts and stuff.. :)

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DanFlak
Posts: 2

Change is sometimes good. However a lot of products improve their product using the "Lucky Charms" approach: now with new chatruse dodecahedrons. Yeah, it looks different, but doesn't add any value. Most Mircosoft improvements are of the colored mashmallow variety.

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LadyFitzgerald
Posts: 2232

"I will compare the site to Christmas advertising everyone complains about them, but then they go right out and buy gifts and stuff.. :) "

Not everyone.

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presence1960
Posts: 280

Being a new member I am not accustomed to the old layout. Being "unbiased" or neutral I can say the new layout is very nice. I guess HTG forum is no different than when OSs have new releases. A lot complain because it is not like the old. We all will survive with the new layout. For those vehemently opposed remember change is a fact of life. It will and must happen in spite of us.

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Drizzle
Posts: 2045

I always blame me and the computer first, and then realise ah!!!!! the formats changed....

@ presence1960..agree "It will and must happen in spite of us. " like getting older!!!! so just go with it 'whatever'!!!!

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Shandy
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Like many people who visit the site I don't feel the need to come on the forum however after the changes to the main site I feel like making a post.

In the recent past 2 other major tech sites made significant changes to their home pages and both had to climb down as the new changes were not well received, initially both put on the front that all was rosy in the garden, it was just people not accepting change until finally after a few weeks they eventually did realise those changes they thought were great weren't actually as great as they thought and decided to listen to their readers.

Lifehacker - The changes were that bad that users actually migrated to Lifehacker UK which kept the old format, they eventually saw the light and created the blog format rather than load of scrolling columns.

Engadget - Took the same path, see here for the very large comments section:-
http://www.engadget.com/2012/1.....-engadget/
Also they mentioned load times were better etc etc but no-one seemed to care except the site managers themselves.

So what are my complaints? not much really
Well the Favicon is terrible, not such a big problem but it looks really tacky and designed by someone in paint.

The home page is ridiculously cluttered, the middle column should not be there, it should be merged into the RH column and be something like an information/resource centre.I would guess the majority of users come to read new articles and these are now condensed into the LH column or roughly one third of the page which frankly isn't enough. Simply put the 'sections' under the Main menu (windows, features, mobile etc) are laid out how the front page should look, more space for each article with the info bar on the RH side and no middle column.

If you are going to persist with the new layout, may I suggest that one of the options under the Main Menu box shows all articles in chronological order in the same format as the other sections? At least this gives the option of some sort of blog view.

Thanks

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GuiltySpark
Posts: 4024

@ Shandy, (I used to have a cat called that)

The current format is still subject to change somewhat here and there, think of this as a 'Transitional' period, it really is nothing on the grand scheme of things.

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Xhi
Posts: 6298

shandy /ˈʃændi/ noun
plural shandies
[count, noncount] Brit : a drink made of beer mixed with lemonade

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vistamike
Posts: 10945

Xhi, cool dude....Shandy, yuk, a useless and unpalatable addition to the British bevy menu (but not practised everywhere here, there are delimits).

Beer and lemonade, not the thirst thing I would thought to pack!

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doctordeere
Posts: 164

I prefer the old HTG homepage layout.

BUT... it's a website designed by, maintained by and funded by someone other than myself. IOW, I have no equity in HTG, therefore I don't see myself having a 'right' to complain. Personally, I tend to focus on the positive, being thankful for what I have rather than looking for something to whine about.

Thank you, Lowell, for providing us with HTG.

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GuiltySpark
Posts: 4024

AMEN :):)

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jaydee007
Posts: 1

I liked the OLD Layout because it was easy to go to VISTA or XP when helping people with a specific problem.....IT had LOGIC built into it. I am not opposed to change.... But I hate long learning curves. I am not trying to be critical but helpful in my post

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The Geek
Posts: 2059

One of the biggest complaints that we got for 2 years of the old design was that people wanted to just read the good stuff without all the fluff. We provided that with this design.

The whole point of using 3 columns is that we have a lot of very different types of posts. Before everything just got jumbled together, whereas in the new design, the feature articles are on the left, the geek trivia, news, and links are in the middle, and the fun facts / geek glossary / (upcoming new stuff) are on the right.

Trying to arrange everything into a blog view just didn't work, and it wasn't working. When we ran a wallpaper post there's no need for words, so we ended up with a thumbnail and a bunch of dead white space that looked tacky. I was just unable to even include other things because of the format.

Comparing our layout change to Gawker / Lifehacker is rather silly, I mean, everything on HTG is still on a single page ordered by date. There's just more stuff. It's nothing like their original weird scrolling design. Instead of giant category pages with a list of 2000 links, you can quickly jump to the latest articles for Mobile, Windows, etc. And for those that don't have adblock installed, the site loads much better than it used to, with more content available above the fold, and it loads much faster.

Every time we change anything, we get hate mail, and a lot of it. And then eventually everybody calms down.

That said, I meant to include a blog view for those people that are scared of change, but I didn't get the code worked out in time, and I've been busy since.

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LadyFitzgerald
Posts: 2232

Lowell, I personally have no problems with the new layout and appreciate your efforts. In some ways, it is more convenient; otherwise, it's just different and just needed getting used to (something that was easy for me). I do miss the cartoons that Asian Angel used to post, however, but I suspect their disappearance is coincidental.

The one thing I do not like is something I suspect is just broken and you haven't had the time to fix it yet (bugs happen, kinda like death and taxes). The text in the forum...er...discussion menu doesn't change from blue to black after a post has been read. I would really like to see that come back since it made reading the discussion menu much easier for my old ADHD "blessed" mind.

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Xhi
Posts: 6298

My only complaint aside from the one LadyFitzgerald stated above is that the search function returns things that have absolutely no connection to the words searched for.

I also would assume that fixes to this forum will be limited since there will be the new Discourse software soon.

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vistamike
Posts: 10945

Hello wake up guys.....

https://www.howtogeek.com/forum/topic/fyi-we-will-be-switching-forum-software-in-a-month-or-two?replies=18

Let the work begin, let the work progress

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