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  • Started 8 years ago by Hydro
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Hydro
Posts: 13

This computer will be used for Photoshop Editing, some lightweight video editing, and the normal word processing/spreadsheet stuff. It is based on a system my son's friend put together for gaming. I bought the parts and watched him put it together, and it has been working good for him away at college. I found the process interesting and wanted to try for myself. There might be some gaming on this, but that is not the primary purpose.

Here's what I have so far:

RAIDMAX SMILODON Extreme Black ATX-612WEBP 1.0mm SECC Steel ATX Mid Tower Foldout MB Computer Case With 500W Power
http://www.newegg.com/Product/.....6811156098

GIGABYTE GA-EP35-DS3L LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX Intel Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/.....6813128337

EVGA 512-P3-N801-AR GeForce 8800 GT 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/.....6814130318

CORSAIR CMPSU-550VX 550W ATX12V V2.2 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Power Supply
http://www.newegg.com/Product/.....6817139004

Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 Kentsfield 2.4GHz 2 x 4MB L2 Cache LGA 775 Quad-Core Processor
http://www.newegg.com/Product/.....6819115017

G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1000 (PC2 8000) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory
http://www.newegg.com/Product/.....6820231174

SAMSUNG Spinpoint F1 HD753LJ 750GB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/.....6822152100

LITE-ON Black 20X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 8X DVD+R DL 20X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache SATA DVD Burner with LightScribe
http://www.newegg.com/Product/.....6827106073

LITE-ON Black 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-ROM SATA DVD-ROM Drive Model DH-16D3S-08
http://www.newegg.com/Product/.....6827106262

HP LP2065 Silver-Carbonite 20" 8ms LCD Monitor with Height & Pivot Adjustments 300 cd/m2 800:1
http://www.newegg.com/Product/.....6824176053

Microsoft Windows Vista Ultimate SP1 64-bit English 1pk DSP OEI DVD for System Builders
http://www.newegg.com/Product/.....6832116493

For backup I thought this docking station with another Samsung HD like the one above:

Thermaltake ST0005U ABS Plastic 2.5" & 3.5" USB & eSATA HDD Docking Station
http://www.newegg.com/Product/.....6817153071

Posted 8 years ago
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The Geek
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Should be a blazing fast computer. My two main questions would be...

1) That monitor is pretty expensive for the size. Is there a specific benefit to that model? I've bought 20" monitors for about half the price.

2) You may want to consider going with a 3.16 ghz core 2 duo processor instead of the quad, as the speed difference will likely be noticeable for regular operations. The only applications that see major benefits in quad core are some video editing or virtual machines, but the 3ghz CPUs have come down in price to the point where it makes more sense to get one of those.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/....._-19115036

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jack7h3r1pp3r
Posts: 2815

i agree with the geek :)

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ScottW
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There are some image processing operations that will benefit from a multi-core processor. However, on balance you would probably get more out of a faster dual-core -- which after all is still multi-core -- as The Geek suggests. See this old blog from an Adobe employee on the issue:
http://blogs.adobe.com/jnack/2.....icore.html

The one that stopped my eye was the GeForce 8800 GT graphics adapter. Sure, it's still a good chip and popular with the gaming crowd but it's 2 generations back. GeForce went 8-series, 9-series, and is now on 200-series. I would take a look at the Radeon HD 3870 which is only one generation back, can be had for a similar price, but has more modern features. DirectX 10.1, 64-bit support, 320(!) stream processors to the 8800's 112. Here is a selection to look over:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/.....0HD%203870

Note the Sapphire with Vista x64 drivers included and currently less money (after all rebates). Finally, it may be that image apps and a suite such as CS4 will benefit more from a better GPU than from more CPU cores. Consider the opinion of this blogger, and look for more info because any clown can write a blog:
http://untitledhero.blogspot.c.....on_27.html

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Hydro
Posts: 13

Thanks much for the feedback.Geek, the monitor is an IPS panel, which apparently is desirable for photoediting. Most of the LCD panels around right now are TN. As far as the size, the 20 inch is a good fit where I will be working, and larger IPS panels start to get into the $800 range and higher.

All, I will look at the video card links you provided. A couple of other questions, though:

1. I have done a little research on the 32 vs 64 bit VISTA OC. From what I gather, the 64 bit OC would be better if your system can handle it----but is it a big resource hog? Any comments on that issue?

2. Does the external drive docking station selection with another samsung HD a good choice? I picked that because it seems like it would run cooler. Also, is the Samsung a good HD choice? I want to get a reliable one, and reviews seemed mixed on all the brands. I will be keeping alot of photo files (which I will of course back up) and don't want to skimp on that component.

Thanks for your input!

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Hydro
Posts: 13

Also, taking a look at the Radeon card, does ATI mean you need an AMD processor? That's what one of the reviewers seemed to indicate.

Posted 8 years ago
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raphoenix
Posts: 14920

Hydro,

Go for a ASUS Intel Board equal to or better than GIGABYTE.

Read ASUS MB Specifications in DETAIL.

CAUTION:

I am very, very prejudiced toward ASUS (LOL).

Kindest Regards,
Rick P. ♥ :)

Posted 8 years ago
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Hydro
Posts: 13

Can you recommend an ASUS board that equals or exceeds the specs on the Gigabyte? I just a little worried that my knowledge lack will cause me to overlook a compatability issue.

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raphoenix
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Hydro,

This is where you become a Real Builder by gaining knowledge through study.

Start by comparing mother boards and components in the same price range as to features, etc.

Search on google for terms you do not understand and study.

Example: Type in ATI CROSSFIRE in (Wikipedia search box) on this site http://www.google.com/search?h.....8;oq=wikop

I will post some sites for good info so keep looking at your topic thread and mark it as a favorite in your profile.

Feel sure other members will jump-in also.

"To build is to learn and to learn is to build"

Kindest Regards,
Rick P. ♥ :)

Posted 8 years ago
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The Geek
Posts: 2059

Unless you are going to use dual video cards teamed together in CrossFire or SLI (for gaming) you should be perfectly fine. You don't need AMD to use an ATI video card.

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whs
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Just to give you some input on the Q6600. I have one system with that processor. Very, very disappointing. For any regular task it is no faster than an equivalent (similar GHz) duo core - especially AMD's (of which I have a couple too). Only in Video processing (as the Geek pointed out) I have seen the 4 cores doing a good job. If I had known in the spring what I know now, I would have opted for a 3GHz (+/-) AMD duo processor.

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Budohorseman
Posts: 847

You may not have noticed, but your case comes with a 500W Power Supply and you have a 550W Power Supply listed as one of your parts. You may want to look for a case without a power supply or just do not get the 550W power supply.

Also, check to see if you will need an eSATA controller card, as I don't think your motherboard includes one (unless you want to use the USB connection).

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raphoenix
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@ALL,
As said in above post, I am very, very prejudiced toward ASUS and will add Intel plus ATI plus Seagate (LOL).
This machine just happens to have a "Souped Up" Nvdia card in it because I obtained it very, very cheap.
My other machines all have ATIs.

I'm sure each member has their own favorite Hardware so NOT about to argue (LOL) (LOL).

That is what makes building great !!

It sure beats fooling around with HP, Dell and the rest of "that crowd".

Kindest Regards,
Rick P. ♥ :)

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ScottW
Posts: 6609

Hydro: AMD, the company, bought up ATI which used to be a separate company. This does not mean that you need an AMD processor or an AMD chipset to run a ATI video card.

You asked about 32- vs 64-bit "OC", which I'm guessing is supposed to be OS, "Operating System". A 64-bit OS is not going to be a resource hog by comparison to a 32-bit OS. More resources, yes, but not a *lot* more. Some advantages of 64-bit Vista is that you can access all 4 GB of that memory you picked out and more. Vista 32-bit can only access about 3.2 GB tops. A 64-bit OS moves more data and can operate on more of the data, thereby increasing performance. Vista x64 will be less compatible with games, especially any that are older than 2 years.

The external drive dock, the Thermaltake BlackX, is intended for people who have a lot of drives lying around and need to swap them out frequently. It might be cooler, depending on the ambient temperature and air-flow in the room where it's kept. It will almost certainly be noisier than an enclosure which would provide some acoustic dampening.

The Samsung Spinpoint drives are well regarded, as are Western Digital Raptors (for speed), and Seagate Barracudas (for reliability). Mixed reviews are not surprising because there are so many trade-offs to make in a hard disk: speed, reliability, acoustics, power consumption, density, and so on.

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raphoenix
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@Chris,
Good Point !!
ESata Raid 10 HDs were originally suppose to be the way to go for External storage.
USB HDs just kind of "sneaked in" under the radar.
This machine has a ESata controller on it but and I am only running (1) Internal HD on it right now.

Kindest Regards,
Rick P. ♥ :)

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Budohorseman
Posts: 847

Hehe, I know what you mean Rick, my Gigabyte board came with a dual eSATA controller card (PCIe 1x) so I get some good transfer rates across it. Glad I got my external drive with both eSATA and USB ports so I can interface with various PC's as needed.

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0zSpitt
Posts: 1037

is the gigabyte motherboard one worth buying? i'm watching this thread so i can move on with my first build

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Hydro
Posts: 13

Thanks all! This is like drinking through a firehose! Rick P, thanks for you input, and I understand what you mean about learning all the facets of this issue. I have done a fair bit of reseach already, but I probably am not going to have the time right now to get to the same level of expertise you all have before I get this system. I am looking into the alternatives suggested, and learning about issues raised here----so I am not being a complete slacker. I just want to keep from making a critical compatability error or some similar gaffe.

I'm not sure I have time for another hobby anyway----the bull fighting and naked sky diving fills all my spare time right now!

Thanks for all the great input. This forum is great, and you folks are very helpful.

RICK

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Budohorseman
Posts: 847

Oz, every mobo has their fan boys and their detractors, so it's always hard to get a good feed. My latest build has a Gigabyte board and I've had no problems with it. Keep in mind, they all have good boards and bad boards out.

I'd start my research by looking into the chipsets first (paying close attention to the North Bridge). I typically do most of my hardware research on AnandTech (more technical) and Tom's Hardware. After looking into the chipsets, you can then focus on boards that contain them to help narrow your search. Use both those sites for the mobo's too, also read their forum's, as you are sure to find comments on boards that are not even in reviews/articles on their sites. Also keep in mind on how you plan to use the computer, as they will all have different features, and knowing how to plan to use it will help you narrow down your choices as well.

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raphoenix
Posts: 14920

Hydro,

Thank You for your nice comments.
I understand how much "stuff" there is to learn.
The only questions left I guess from your post;
(1) You want me to pick out a Motherboard for you and you do the rest ??
(2) You want to go with what you have listed and the recommendations of all ??
(3) You want to put the build in abeyance for awhile ??

In any event, stay with us.
We don't want to lose a good member.
Kindest Regards,
Rick P. ♥ :)

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raphoenix
Posts: 14920

@0zSpitt,

Take Budohorseman's advice above.
The Gigabyte board is Good.
I am just too biased toward Asus to really make objective decisions.
"Like an old pair of shoes that fit so well" (LOL) (LOL).
Kindest Regards,
Rick P. ♥ :)

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0zSpitt
Posts: 1037

thanks, and i have read tom's hardware

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Hydro
Posts: 13

Rick P,

I am going to review the info tonight and either refine my questions, or post a new system with revised components, or both.

Thanks again for the insights and comments.

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Hydro
Posts: 13

Based on come comments and input (and enough research to get me into trouble) here is the revised build. First, what was changed were the following items:

1. I deleted the second DVD drive

2. I changed to a different V-Card than the EVGA 512-P3-N800-AR GeForce 8800 GT 512MB 256-bit DGGR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card-----listed in the first build but apparently an aged unit.

3. I deleted the HD docking station and am considering a standard enclosure external Hard Drive, but am concerned about overheating.

4. Changed to a faster Duo Core from the orginal Quad Core.

Anyway, here's how it looks now:

Intel Core 2 Duo E8500 Wolfdale 3.16GHz 6MB L2 Cache LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor
http://www.newegg.com/Product/.....6819115036

GIGABYTE GA-EP35-DS3L LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX Intel Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/.....6813128337

RAIDMAX SMILODON Extreme Black ATX-612WEB 1.0mm SECC Steel ATX Mid Tower Foldout MB Computer Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/.....6811156078

SAPPHIRE 100242L Radeon HD 4850 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/.....6814102747

CORSAIR CMPSU-550VX 550W ATX12V V2.2 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Power Supply
http://www.newegg.com/Product/.....6817139004

SAMSUNG Spinpoint F1 HD753LJ 750GB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/.....6822152100

LITE-ON Black 20X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 8X DVD+R DL 20X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache SATA DVD Burner with LightScribe - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/.....6827106073

HP LP2065 Silver-Carbonite 20" 8ms LCD Monitor with Height & Pivot Adjustments 300 cd/m2 800:http:

G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1000 (PC2 8000) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory

Microsoft Windows Vista Ultimate SP1 64-bit English 1pk DSP OEI DVD for System Builders

And under consideration:

ASUS P5Q Pro LGA 775 Intel P45 ATX Intel Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/.....6813131299
(Rick P, could I just ask you if, in your opinion, this Mobo is a fit with the items above? I know I should read the book, but if you already know the answer and can share it with me, I will put in three days in a soup kitchen for the homeless----which may be easier than learning about motherboards.

and a couple of folks recommended a quality DDR2 800 Ram instead of the one above, but NewEgg didn't have the Kingston RAM they mentioned. Any thoughts? how about this one: CORSAIR 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory

Also, some said that the Intel Core 2 Duo E8500 Wolfdale 3.16GHz 6MB L2 Cache LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor would run faster than the Q6600 Kentsfield Quad Core I listed before in most operations, excepting video editing. I will do some light video editing and rendering, so I am still fence sitting a bit here. I'm sure either one will be a vast improvement from what I have now. Any further thoughts?

Again, I am proabaly not going to be up to speed in all facets of these components. I just saw the system that my son's friend helped him put together, and it looked easy enough that I thought I would give it a try. That computer by all reports (he's away in college now) is going strong. I want to improve on those components where I can, but I am afraid I will overlook a compatability issue---and am hoping to avoid that by this post.

Thanks, all.

RICK

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jack7h3r1pp3r
Posts: 2815

umm...well all looks really good and should be really fast!!!! but the video card seems to be out of stock at newegg so are you going to be waiting for them to get it in stock again before you buy?

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Hydro
Posts: 13

Hi Jack! Yeah, I saw that. I don't mind waiting if it's not too long. Any recommendations for an equal? I'm not a gamer, though I may let my kids on if I want to be a nice guy. The V-Card is not all that important for Photo Editing I hear, but since I doing this I'd like to get something decent.

Would you go for the alternate Mobo and RAM? Any thoughts on the processor Duo Core/Quad Core issue?

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jack7h3r1pp3r
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i think that for basic tasks the faster dual cores will be better than the quads but if you are really getting into some heavy work or vm's then they can be a bit better for that but things just aren't optimized for the quads yet to be faster for normal user activities. and for the card i will see what i can find do you prefer ati over nvidia or doesn't it matter?

edit: as far as the boards go they are pretty much the same exept the asus has 2 pci e 16X slots but you only need that for dual video cards any ways. whick you state you are not a hard core gamer so you wont need that.

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Hydro
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I don't know enough to have a preference. Something reliable that works with well with this build, I guess.

Thanks!

RICK

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jack7h3r1pp3r
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also do you have a price range on the video card? or just in the general price range of the other listed?

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Budohorseman
Posts: 847

Hey Hydro, looks like you're looking at my processor (about six months after I got mine, sigh). As for RAM, any of the big names (Kingston, Crucial, OCZ (my favorite), G.Skill, Patriot) will do, just look for aggressive timings (if you plan to overclock, listed in a 5-5-5-12 type format and the smaller the numbers the better) with heat shields.

As for Dual v. Quad core, well more bang for your buck with the Dual, and by your next upgrade application developers will be programming for Quad cores (heck most programs do not take advantage of Dual cores right now, and I am talking about new software).

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jack7h3r1pp3r
Posts: 2815

here is a card that should do the trick: http://www.newegg.com/Product/.....6814103060

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whs
Posts: 17584

I like this configuration much better than the previous one - especially the switch to the Wolfdale processor. You will have much more power with that over the Q6600. ( I also like AMD's because of their faster FSB, but they have nothing in 45nm). The graphics card that jack posted looks nice and for the price you can't argue. I would stay away from any overclocking - that just spells trouble. No need to do that with this configuration.

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raphoenix
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Hydro,
Thanks for the compliments but I'm no expert.
I've just built a "ton" of stuff for fun and friends (LOL).
Your MB pick is out of the "Sweet Spot" in competitive pricing - NOT Good.
"Sweet Spot" is normally $190-$230 for most popular builder boards with good recommendations and NO frills.
Here is an old tried and true stand by from ASUS that will do most anything.
Read the Specs Carefully.
http://usa.asus.com/products.a.....2&l4=0

If you go higher than this in pricing, you are getting into elaborate X48 gaming MBs.
If you go lower, you are getting into outdated or upgraded MBs.
Put some components on this one and see how it fits your budget plus "wants".
NO-GO on HP Monitor
NO-GO on Mid Tower
NO-GO on HDs
NO-GO on DVD

Kindest Regards,
Rick P. ♥ :)

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whs
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Rick, I have two of the same HP monitors (HP w2207h - they also come in 20 inch) and I love them. So "NO_GO" on HP monitors does not find my approval. But I am not familiar with the LP2065 - maybe that is different.

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jack7h3r1pp3r
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and why no on the mid tower?

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raphoenix
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@WHS & Jack,

NO-GO on the monitor because I do (NOT) know what (OEM) makes the monitor for HP. If I knew, it might be a GO.
HP will tell you anything you want to hear to make a sale.
============================
A mid tower is too small from experience. I always recommend a FULL TOWER for space, cooling and adding stuff in the future. Remember, a good metal case will out last all the other components in the build.

Kindest Regards,
Rick P. ♥ :)

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jack7h3r1pp3r
Posts: 2815

@rick i have a mid tower and i seem to have enough space and that was my first build and i also have a full tower and it takes up a ton of space and more room than i will ever need in it and i don't think that he will have a prob with cooling because he said he's not doing any hardcore tasks like gaming and such.

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raphoenix
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@Jack,

I see your point and don't disagree that much.
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However, my builds usually have at least (4) HDs (RAID) and some (6) plus (2) Optical drives and a Floppy Drive so I normally recommend a Full Tower because things can get a bit crowed with all card slots filled, many drives and the wiring mess inside. Also, I don't have small hands so working on a Full Tower is a bit easier for me.
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Just my own preference only.

Kindest Regards,
Rick P. ♥ :)

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jack7h3r1pp3r
Posts: 2815

ya i guess if you have that much stuff in there you would need a full tower but i only have one hdd and a dvd/cd burner and some times a floppy drive

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raphoenix
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@Jack,

I see what you mean with your configuration.
However, if someone is going to do a build with a RAID MB, they will eventually end up with (4) HDs or more so that is why I know computer cases can get Crowed Up pretty quickly from experience.

Kindest Regards,
Rick P. ♥ :)

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jack7h3r1pp3r
Posts: 2815

i didn't think that he wanted to do a raid though? but i got your point too :) and the case he picked looks really nice :D

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raphoenix
Posts: 14920

@jack,

I don't buy what looks nice.
I go by FIT, FORM and FUNCTION.

Thought you were "cracking the books" this week ??
I know, you are an ART MAJOR (LOL) (LOL) :) :)
Kindest Regards,
Rick P. ♥ :)

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jack7h3r1pp3r
Posts: 2815

ya i'm actually in class right now lol :D but i don't have any computer classes yet not until next year :(

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ScottW
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@Rick P. (raphoenix), it feels like you are straying off topic here. We are supposed to be helping Hydro with his build not talking about how we would do a build differently.

@Rick (Hydro): the updates you have made look good to me. As far as doing some video processing, your dual-core CPU will not disappoint. A quad-core, such as the Q6600, will be able to process more threads in parallel, but the Wolfdale will finish it's threads faster. Also, you never get perfectly parallel tasks, so a quad-core is not 4x faster than a single-core, nor 2x faster than a dual-core in practical applications. You will be happy with the Wolfdale.

Regarding the GPU, the Radeon 4850 is an excellent choice being a modern chip with lots of power and features, but at a sweet price point. As the blog posting I referenced above said, GPUs will be used for image processing and I believe it. A good GPU is worth investing in.

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Budohorseman
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Rick, you better put the 'may' in ALL CAPS or (brackets) or (BOTH) before you offend one of our ladies!! ;-)

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raphoenix
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@jack,

What about Calculus, Physics, Chemistry and all the rest of the required courses ??
You already finished those ??
WOW !!
You ARE moving on.
Kindest Regards,
Rick P. ♥ :)

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raphoenix
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@ScottW,

I'll stay off the thread.
Thanks.
Kindest Regards,
Rick P. ♥ :)

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jack7h3r1pp3r
Posts: 2815

@raphoenix i did most of those in high school :)

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Hydro
Posts: 13

Thanks to all for your great input. Think I'm on track here, thanks!

Rick P, no need to withdraw----nothing wrong with mixing in a little banter. It is helpful, though, if the reasons for a component falling into the "NOGO" catagory are outlined, and maybe even an alternative suggested (and why). This of course does not relieve us noobs from continuing to research on our own as well. But I have found technical forums like this are extremely helpful in narrowing the choices down to a point that it becomes more of a preference decision, and reduces the chances of a major technical faux paux.

RICK

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Budohorseman
Posts: 847

Hydro,

Nothing is better than building your own rig, trust me, you will learn alot along the way. In fact, a friend just asked me to throw him a rig together, I put a proposal together at 1,500 but I have yet to get the budget (sadly it will probably be less than a grand, including a monitor (which mine had)). I'm on Putzer V right now, but building one for another couple will make things most interesting...wish me luck!!

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Hydro
Posts: 13

One last question-----I was hoping to incorporate an external hard drive for this system, and some research led me to this one. I want to take advantage of esata, but the Mobo I selected apparently doesn't support esata.

Questions are:

1. Is there a Mobo that would work with this build which has esata capability?

2. is esata that important?

3. Are external hard drives a bad idea (I know I could go with muliple HD in the case, but wanted something I could grab easily when the black helicopters land.

Any input greatly appreciated.

RICK

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raphoenix
Posts: 14920

Hydro,

"Black Helicopters" - "Grab & Snatch OPS" - I'd better check my profile again. (LOL)(LOL)(LOL)
It's pretty late CST/USA time.
Let me think on your question over night and will post a good reply tomorrow if you don't mine waiting.
When you are investing money in a build, you want to be right so I want to give you the best advice I can.
Thanks for the confidence.

Kindest Regards,
Rick P. ♥ :)

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ScottW
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Hydro, you could certainly find a motherboard with an eSata connector but then you would be in for another round of verifying compatibility with RAM and CPU and GPU and so on. Is it important? That depends on how you intend to use the external drive. Most people consider an external to be secondary storage so that speed is not paramount. If it's just for keeping offline backups, moving large files off the internal drive, and such then USB 2.0 is fast enough and mighty cheap. The promise of eSata is speed -- an external drive can be as fast as an internal one. But, if you need that kind of speed and storage, the usual solution is to add another internal drive.

Well, you may be wishing you had more speed when the black helicopters are landing and you are trying to save those last few gigabytes of data. :-)

Here's another thought. You could always add eSata to any system with an adapter card. Hardly anyone uses those PCI-E x1 or x4 slots, but that would be the perfect place for an eSata controller such as one of these from newegg. Finally, an external drive is not a bad idea it just has a certain niche that it fills. You have to decide if it fits your needs.

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raphoenix
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Hydro,
(4-6) of these with a Asus MB supporting (On-Board) eSata controller and you can do any configuration; Raid, eSata Raid, etc. Can't beat the price or existing technology.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/....._-22148274
Throw in (4) Gigs of High Speed Corsair (Matched) Memory, a moderately priced ATI Cross Fire Ready Video Card, Full (No Non-Sense) Tower, Intel Fast Processor plus a few more goodies and you are ready to "roll".
Will be happy to spec your complete machine if you want (HOWEVER) I do (NOT) spec gaming machines or home entertainment centers.
Kindest Regards,
Rick P. ♥ :)

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Hydro
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RickP: I appreciate your input. The system I want to put together is not intended for extreme gaming or home entertainment, and I would of course certainly be interested in any system build you would recommend. I would like to stick with the monitor, though for reasons explained earlier.

ScottW: Thanks for your thoughts. Your comments make sense regarding the esata and having this take me down another compatability trail. The USB connection seems like it would be just fine for the simple periodic backups I need. I am just looking for a reliable backup storage for important files (like my photo library)I can grab quickly if necessary.

RICK

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raphoenix
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Hydro,

NO problem with the monitor. Just match it's specs against others to insure you get the most bang for the buck.
Have to go to hospital for treatment today so probably will not be able to post until tomorrow.
Kindest Regards,
Rick P. ♥ :)

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Hydro
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Jeez, no problem. Take care.

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ScottW
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Hydro, it is now confirmed that Adobe is adding GPU support to CS4 in what is likely to be a trend in image processing software:
http://news.cnet.com/8301-1358.....ag=nl.e703

Also, I noticed that Budohorseman had recommended an eSATA card back on page 1 of this thread and linked to a list at newegg. He was way ahead of us on that feature!

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