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  • Started 9 years ago by juliejam77
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juliejam77
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Hi all, I just bought a new laptop with Vista home installed on it. Every thing was great except it would not run my Dreamweaver 8 and I could not get a correctin from Adobe to make the DW work. So I tried shrinking my C: drive and adding a D; drive for XP. No problem. Got the XP installed but could not get the internet to work to get the vistabootpro download. After a few hours, I gave up and re-formatted my new D: drive to get rid of the XP.

Figured I would start again from there. My problem now is that I can not boot the computer at all. It will not boot from Vista or I can not get it to boot from the XP CD even when I change the boot order.

I keep getting the missing hal.dll file error. But I cannot use any of the fixes for that because the computer is just in a cycle of trying to boot and then telling me I am missing the hal.dll file. I cannnot get a prompt or anything I can work with.

I am not sure whether the computer is only looking on the new D: drive for an OS and not the C:drive with Vista.

If anyone could please, please help; you would save my husband a lot of stress having to live with me while I am having a compute problem.

Thank you much,
Julie

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Budohorseman
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after your attempt to boot and your error message, are you getting to a C:\ or D:\ prompt?

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juliejam77
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No, I cannot get to any prompt. I can get to Windows Advanced options menu for Safe Mode but it only gives the same hal.dll error with any of the safe mode choices.
When I look at he OS choices menu, it only shows the D: drive with XP which is really not there since I formatted over it. That is my problem. I cannot get the laptop to recognize the C: drive with Vista or get the hal.dll back in the D: drive to make the XP install again.
Thx,
Julie

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Budohorseman
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You will have to forgive me, I'm at work so I don't have all my material here so I'm trying to do this off the top of my head...
First try to launch Safe Mode with Command Prompt...I get the feeling that may not work, if it does not you will need a boot disk to get to a command prompt.

Once you get to a command prompt (if it is not C:\) type (without the quotes) "cd C:\"
From there type "edit boot.ini"
With some luck, it will be fairly obvious what edits you need to make, if not, let us know what you are seeing and we can go from there.

Sadly, it looks like I'll be in meeting for the next 3 or so hours, so hopefully someone else will be able to chime in a give you a hand in the meantime.

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juliejam77
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The safe mode with command prompt does not work. So what you are saying is that I need a boot disk OTHER than the full version xp pro disk I have?? since that has not worked either.

I was just looking up how to make a boot disk and will have to try to do it on a CD as I do not have a floppy. It seemed kinda hard on a CD so if anyone else has a good way to make an xp boot CD, please let me know. I will be researching in the meantime.

Thanks so much for your help Budohorseman.
Julie

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Budohorseman
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Just as a quick note before I head off, I have had problems in the past with booting from XP CD, but I found it always works when I switched the very first drive to the CD drive in the BIOS, typically its floppy, Hard Disk, CD/DVD, other. Just change your BIOS to boot first from the CD/DVD, then floppy and finally the Hard Disk.

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merajahmed
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hi, u can install xp once again by booting with XP cd by the above said method (by budohorseman) at the same location where u had installed it earlier. After that get a copy of Bootloader pro and use it to make ur pc dual boot as explained elsewhere on this site. hope this helps

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pasaltha
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i hope you are provided with a Vista OS CD along with the laptop.. just boot from the Vista CD, Select "Repair My Computer" the select "Command Prompt".. Then Type "notepad" and hit ENTER on the command promt.. browse the folder and try to find "boot.ini" file in the C: drive. Please let us know what you see

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juliejam77
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To pasaltha - No Vista CD. This is the first time I have bought a computer that did not come with a disk. Really stinks.

To merajahmed & Budohorseman - I have tried to boot with the XP CD with it as the first boot on the list in the BIOS and it still does not work. It does not work second either and the Vista OS will not been seen by the computer.

I think the biggest mistake I made was to re-format the drive that I created for the XP.

Still looking for suggestions as nothing is fixed. I am going to attempt a boot disk made from my desk top that has the XP on it, but I am not sure if that will work for the hal.dll file because of the different hardware on the desktop vs. the laptop.

Thanks to all,
Julie

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juliejam77
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Hi all,

Still tying to find an answer but maybe I have made a little progress.

I could not figure out how to make a xp boot disk as all the sites I looked at wanted me to use 6 floppy disks and I don't have a floppy drive.

I then remembered that on my old laptop, which was XP Home ED, that I had 4 Quickrestore System Recovery CD's. I put the first one in and it showed a menu but it also said it would reformat my hard drive if I continued so I stopped and took the disk out but somehow ended up with a C:\ prompt in DOS. I can't seem to do much with it though. It only shows 90 files on the C drive and no directories which I am not sure is correct or not.

Just to recap, my new laptop can with a C: drive loaded with Vista and other stuff AND a second partitioned D: drive called DATA. What I did was shrink a little of the C: drive for the XP and renamed that drive D: (XP) - left the C: drive as is and named VISTA and changed the original D: drive to E: for the data and then my CD-rom is the F: drive.

Does anyone have any ideas not that I have a C: prompt?

It will not let me change to a D: drive or an E: drive from the C prompt.

Thanks and getting frustrated ;-)
Julie

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juliejam77
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Well good news! I have made some progress. After not being able to make the C prompt do anything that would help, I finally clicked on ctrl alt del and wonders of wonders - the laptop started to boot from the CD drive in which I still had my XP CD. It allowed me to install the XP again on the D: which I have now done. So basically I am back to where all my troubles started.

Except this time I thought I was ready. I have the Vistaboot pro on a disk to install and the .net framework v 2 it said I needed. I installed the .net framework and then the Vistabootpro.

Now my problem is the Vistabootpro. It comes up with an initialization error for the .net framewor when I try to start the vistabootpro. I have tried putting the framework in several times and it is fine.

Could this be because I still do not have internet access?

My network connections show I have a network but it is not getting an IP address or anything. This laptop is wireless and sitting right next to my router. The laptop has never had any problem before being wireless.

Does anyone know what I need to do to get the internet?

Getting closer,
Julie

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Budohorseman
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I'm gonna make a guess and say you probably need an XP driver for you NIC. Go to Start...Settings...Control Panel....System...Hardware tab...Device Manager. If there is a caution flag by your network adapter, then you need a driver for it. You can check the support section of your laptop manufacturer and if they do not have one there you will need to go to the website of the network adapter.

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juliejam77
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You are exactly right Budohorseman. But I am having a devil of a time trying to find the drivers I need.
The Acer website is lacking and I am not quite sure what to do. I will probably have to call Acer tomorrow.

Thanks for the help.
Julie

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jd2066
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You can try downloading EasyBCD. It does the same things as VistaBootPro. It also uses .NET Framework so it may also not work but it's worth a try.

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Budohorseman
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Sorry, busy day at work and about bedtime now ;-) but could you see which Network Chip you had in device manager? FYI I'm on CT so we should be good for tomorrow.

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juliejam77
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Good Wednesday Morning!

I tried the Easy BCD and since it is the same with the .net framework, it does not work.

In the device manager, I have:

Network adapters - 1394 network adapter (which is OK)

Other Devices -
Ethernet Controller ?
Network Controller ?

There are some other things with ? marks under the "other devices". EX: Base System Device PCI Device
SM Bus Contoller Video Controller but I should be able to get these cleared up once I can get online.

In the book that came with the computer, I can find - WLAN: Intel Pro/Wireless 3945ABG (802.11a/b/g)

Does any of this help?

Thanks again,
Julie

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juliejam77
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I have had some sucess. I was able to get the intel pro/wireless driver and got the internet working, but even with the internet working, the computer cannot find the drivers for the other problem devices. Also, the vistabootpro or easybcd still won't work. Still tells me I need the .net framework.

Julie

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juliejam77
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Update:

I am down to (3) BASE SYSTEM DEVICES
(1) PCI DEVICE
(1) SM BUS CONTROLLER

showing as not working in my device manager.

But the other big problem is that I still cannot get the Vistabootpro to work.

Do you have an idea on how I can figure out what these 5 items are that are in need of drivers?

Thanks,
Julie

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juliejam77
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New problem - I uninstalled the .net framework and re-downloaded it on the laptop directly since I can connnct to the internet. That worked, vistabootpro opened and I followed the rest of the instructions on the howtogeek but when I restarted my computer, all I get is a black screen with a blinking cursor line. No drive notation or anything.

What did I do wrong?

Thank you,
Julie

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juliejam77
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Never mind on last post. I turned power off to the laptop and then restarted. The choice for a vista or xp boot showed up. Seems to be working but on Vista it is not doing a startup repair since I did not shut down correctly.

So I think I am down to the missing drivers.

Thanks,
Julie

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juliejam77
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Whoops - I do have a problem with the dual boot. It will boot to XP but when I get the choice screen and click to boot to Vista it gives me the choices of the startup repair or start vista normally. choosing repair, it works for several minutes then tells me it cannot repair the problem. If I tell it to start Vista normally, it can't and comes back to the choose vista or xp screen eventually.

Will keeping working on it.
Julie

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Budohorseman
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You can get the XP version of the .net Distribution here http://www.microsoft.com/downl.....layLang=en
As for the drivers, if your laptop came with a system CD, you may want to pop it in the drive and see if can find them there (but odds are they will be in cab file so they will not be readable). If you give us the model of your laptop we may be able to help you find your drivers.

EDIT: There should have been a recovery partition on your drive. Next time you are in XP look in My Computer and see if it's still there.

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juliejam77
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I have everything working with the dual boot except the ntldr not in XP. I copied the file from my xp disk and it still does not work. Where exactly do I need to put the ntldr and ntdetect.com in XP? I put them in the xp i386 folder.

The laptop did not come with any disks. That is the problem. I ordered some recovery disk from Acer but it will be awhile before it gets here.

The laptop is an Acer Aspire 7720-6569

Your help has been great.
Thanks,
Julie

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juliejam77
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[EDIT: There should have been a recovery partition on your drive. Next time you are in XP look in My Computer and see if it's still there. ]

I don't think it is. It was there a little while back but since you asked, I checked again and don't see it now.

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Budohorseman
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Check this out for the driver issues http://www.tucows.com/preview/335348 it's a shareware but comes with a 15 day trial so it may work out for you.

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Budohorseman
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I just checked out this laptop and it has copies of the ntldr and ntdetect.com in both the I386 folder and in the root.

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juliejam77
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Well I fixed the ntldr and the xp will boot fine. I used the xp cd to boot and went into the repair and got to a prompt and then used the copy command to get the needed files off the CD. Seemed to work fine.

But now Vista will not boot. I think this is what happened this morning when I first got xp working and then Vista did not work. Once I fix Vista then XP does not boot and back and forth.

Now, when Vista goes to boot, I get a very quick blue screen with writing but it does not stay long enough to see any thing. Then it gives me the the choice of repair or start normally. Neither work.

I may just have to give up on this and upgrade my Dreamweaver if I want to use it on my laptop.

How do I get rid of xp and all this dual boot stuff?

Thanks,
Julie

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Budohorseman
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Did you try to set the compatibility mode in Vista to XP SP2 for Dreamweaver? I haven't had to use it, but from what I have heard it works pretty well. The Geek has an article up on Compatibility Mode https://www.howtogeek.com/howto/windows-vista/using-windows-vista-compatibility-mode/
Removing XP from a dual boot system was addressed in this forum post a few weeks ago https://www.howtogeek.com/forum/topic/removing-xp-on-a-dula-boot-config?replies=25

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juliejam77
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Yes, I tried the compatability option and nothing.

If I just want to use the XP and leave the Vista on there but not booting - 1) would that matter?
2) How could I get to all the programs I have on the Vista drive?

I was going to ask how I got to the dreamweaver or other programs if they are installed on Vista. Do I have to install all of them on xp too? If so, why would the howtogeek guide I used to start all of this, only tell me to shrink out 10 MB?

Thanks,
Julie

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juliejam77
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I went into vistabootpro and highlighted xp and clicked on the red x to deleter it as the forum post said. But since my vista is still not booting I am really messed up. I don't have a restore disk and startup repair still does not work.

I don't even see how the dual boot thing would work even if both os's booted. Because now you need to intall programs on both and when I tried to install MS Office that I have I Vista, it would not let me install it on XP.

Any idea how I can just get back to Vista as it was?

Cheers and tears,
Julie

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Budohorseman
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Sadly, I don't use vistabootpro so I can't help you there. It seems odd that you can't install Office in XP, I assume your XP is SP2 right?

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juliejam77
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Yes sp2 or it was.

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Budohorseman
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Well then it shouldn't have been a problem, at worst it should have given you MS's toll free number to call for a new product key. I guess it's a moot point since you're going back to Vista.

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pasaltha
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Some system manufacturers have a System restore wherein you can get your system back to state it was in the 1st day... you can try pressing Ctrl+F10 or Ctrl+f11 at the boot up.. you might get teh Ghost Restore that is hidden in the system.. or else... call your manufacturer's tech support for full system restore.. that will take about 10-15 minutes in all...

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