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DeliciousWaffles
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Hi, I am a huge newb when it comes to building your own PC stuff, as this is my first time, and I have done a lot of reading and fact gathering about what a gamer such as me should include, but that is not enough and I need someone who knows what they are talking about to have a look at what I gathered thus far.

Motherboard
ASUS P8Z68-V/GEN3 Intel Z68 Motherboard ($180)
CPU
Intel Core i7-2600K ($300)
CPU Cooler
Noctua NF-P112-1300 120mm CPU Cooler and Case Fan ($25)
RAM
Corsair Vengeance DDR3 1600MHz 16GB (4 x 4GB) ($110)
Video Card
XFX Radeon HD 7950 Double D Black Edition ($400)
Sound Card
Creative Labs Sound Blaster Audigy 7.1 ($30)
Hard Drives
Seagate Barracuda 1TB (7200rpm, 64MB cache) ($100)
OCZ Agility 3 Series Solid State Drive 120GB ($90)
Optical Drive
Lite-On Internal Blu-Ray Burner ($75)
Case
Cooler Master HAF 932 Full Tower ($130)
Power Supply
OCZ ZX Series Modular Power Supply 850W ($125)

Total Cost(minus peripherals): $1565 (USD)

I'd be willing to spend a couple hundred more if ya'll have suggestions. My main concern was if I even need another CPU cooler, and if so, is this 1 fan enough? I mean my Full Tower Case comes with 4 fans as it is, and even though I am a gamer, I do not have plans of overclocking at all. Also, I am unsure about my hard drive; I feel like there is a better option out there I can't find. Finally, do ya'll think I went a little overboard on my graphics card considering it is the most expensive aspect? I am hoping my build is fairly balanced, but again, I am not sure.

Any thoughts on my first custom build will be much appreciated. Thanks!

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raphoenix
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DeliciousWaffles,

Welcome to HTG.

You have speced a Generation II old machine.

Current motherboards have Intel Z77 Chipset and Generation III CPUs.

Please post a Link to where you will be purchasing components from so we can help you. :)

newegg Walk in ?????

Rick P.

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DeliciousWaffles
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What does a Generation II old machine mean? the "old" part is slightly scaring me! Oh, and to be honest, I am fine with purchasing from Newegg, mwave, or amazon. My $$ specs are from newegg though, as I have a feeling it will end up being from there. But if I happen to find a lower price on, say, amazon I don't see any reason why not to do that!

Oh, and sorry about not including links to begin with (minus the sound card and blu ray player. they aren't as important)

motherboard

PROCESSOR

CPU cooler

RAM

Video Card

Hard Drive

SSD

Full Tower

Power supply

And there you have it!!! think that is about it.

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raphoenix
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Here are the 3rd Generation Z77 Chipset Asus motherboards.
Pick one.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/.....ageSize=20

Then we will get to Processors.

Rick P.

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DeliciousWaffles
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ASUS SABERTOOTH Z77 LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard

I think this one works best for me

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raphoenix
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OK.
Here are the 3rd Generation Intel LGA 1155 Ivy Bridge CPUs.
ALL Will Be in Stock so don't worry when it says out of stock. :)
Pick one.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/.....y%20Bridge

Rick P.

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DeliciousWaffles
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EDIT: Ok, I'll switch to this oneprocessor

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raphoenix
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OK. Now we choose RAM.
Here are Stock DDR3 1600 Modules.
Pick One Set. HINT: CORSAIR Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) $49.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/.....ageSize=20

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DeliciousWaffles
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raphoenix
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No worry I will Explain. Delete you post above and put in your RAM choice.

Don't get ahead of yourself.

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DeliciousWaffles
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after much contemplation, I have decided to go with the ram here

also, I'm not sure how to delete posts :(

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raphoenix
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OK. Now we Deal With SSDs for Operating System.
We need (2) for Raid 0 Array.
They need to Be Raid Compliant and have Adapter Brackets Plus a Known History of Goodness.
Here is what I use.
Pick (2) of these if you care to. Read FEED BACK Tab
http://www.newegg.com/Product/.....6820148525

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DeliciousWaffles
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ok, I've been doing some research on Raid 0 (cause I didn't know what it was) and I feel that I don't really need it for my purposes. I gathered that the difference of 2 (Raid) vs 1 SSD was just faster loading times. I think 1 SSD will do fine for me, because I am also planning to have a 1TB Hard Drive, so in terms of Gigabytes of storage I have more than enough. The SDD you suggested looks great to me, I will go with 1 of those. I read most of the feedback, but I just don't feel the need for Raid 0. Also, if I can save $120 by not getting a little bit faster loading times I would much rather do that. Thoughts?

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raphoenix
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Raid 0 using SSDs in not only for boot time BUT [ ALL ] disk operations.

It's up to the Builder if they want to use SSDs.

This is my Bench Mark using Crucial 128GB SSDs in Raid 0 Array for the System.

Rick P.

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DeliciousWaffles
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hmm, yeah I see what you mean, but I think at least for now I will stick with 1 TB HDD and 1 of those SDD. I plan to put my OS and crucial files on my SDD and then all my music, movies, desktop, etc. on my HDD. Something else factoring into my decision of not wanting to have Raid 0 is bad past experiences with failing hard drives. Considering (with Raid 0 at least) I would have 2x fail rate and both of them failing at the same time... well I'd rather not have to deal with that. If I feel the need for boost in loading time for disk operations I might consider that at a later date. I want to be cautious for now.

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raphoenix
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SSDs do not fail like HDs in Raid 0 arrays so no worry there.

However I understand your position.

By the way, I live in TN. :)

Rick P.

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DeliciousWaffles
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Nice! I am in Memphis, TN. You?

also, what is next up on the checklist ? :D

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raphoenix
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Well you have almost everything covered now.

You might look over this Topic AND Links.
https://www.howtogeek.com/forum/topic/rick-p-1?replies=6

Also could look at this.
https://www.howtogeek.com/forum/topic/can-someone-check-my-custom-build?replies=12

You do NOT have a Real Cooler but just a Fan. :)

It's time for me to retire for the night now.

Please Post back tomorrow and we can continue with your questions. :)

Best Regards,

Rick P.

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DeliciousWaffles
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I have actually already stumbled upon that thread! I've already got motherboard and CPU covered it seems. I guess really the only big things I have left to decide about are my GPU and my case. In terms of video cards, Ifound this site to be particularly useful in choosing a video card (I want to tone down my previous $400 Raedon setup). I found this GPU to be quite appealing. Do you think this matches up well with my build thus far? As well as my original ATX Full Tower Case, here .

Edit: I realize the GPU is currently sold out, so if you have had any previous experience with stuff being sold out on Newegg, how often do they replenish products?

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raphoenix
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DeliciousWaffles,

Well let's see.

1. Your Full Tower Case is fine.

2. Need to pick a PCI Express 3.0 x16 Video Card. (the one you asked about in post above is PCI Express 2.0)

3. May need a Real Cooler because of Generation III CPU Design heat issue.

4. May need a Wireless Device. (Motherboard has No Built-in Capabilitity)

5. Need OEM Windows 7 Pro O/S.

6. Need USB 3 Stick ram drive. (they are cheap)

7. Definently Do Not need a sound card.

8. May Change Color of CORSAIR Vengeance Ram Module Set to Red. (LOL)

Assume you already have Good Monitor, keyboard, mouse and speakers.

As far as the SOLD OUT, that might or might not be true. (sometimes is a sales ploy by newegg)

Order the Componets you want and newegg will get them if not Deactivated !!!! :) :)

Rick P.

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DeliciousWaffles
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Rick, I want to thank you for your continual help. I would be a lost puppy without your guidance.

I realize the error of my ways in choosing a PCI Express 2.0 orginally (even though they are backwards compatible, I gotta keep the Ivy bridge status quo going!!) These two PCI 3.0, here , and here are my best options, and I would prefer to go with the cheaper (because I like my money!), and in terms of gaming I doubt there will be any differences between the two, but I would like your input on the matter.

secondly, I am slightly confused over how many fans/coolers/WHATEVER an "Ivy Bridge" needs. One thing I do want to stay away from is water coolers. I don't want to have to deal with the maintenance, and/or risk of them leaking. I would prefer to go with an air cooler, maybe such as this Noctua CPU cooler...but considering my tower already has 4 fans, how much is enough?!!? I'm so confused.

My next question is about the "USB 3 stick ram drive" My original RAM that I choose, the CORSAIR VENGANCE 8 Gig , is that not satisfactory?

Also, I will be using an Ethernet cable pretty much 100% of the time, so for now a wireless card is not needed, but if for some reason I did need to put one in I'm assuming I could just re-open my comp. and stick that wireless card in there like a boss with minor difficulties.

Lastly, I will be needing to get a monitor/keyboard, but I am assuming that will be fairly easy as most monitors are compatible with whatever I have (I think?).

As always, thanks for your continued help!!! Really appreciate it :)

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raphoenix
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The Two Cards Side By Side For Comparison.

Radeon HD 7870 GHz Edition AND Radeon HD 7950

http://www.newegg.com/Product/.....2D962%2DTS

The Two Cards in Passmark Bench Mark Results.
Radeon HD 7870 GHz Edition AND Radeon HD 7950

http://www.videocardbenchmark......_gpus.html

Stream Processes
http://www.ehow.com/info_12174.....ssors.html

What do you think ??

Rick P.

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DeliciousWaffles
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well, for the video card bench marks, I believe the 7870 @ 3.425 rating for $330 is a better bang for your buck when comparing with the 7950 @ 3.798 rating for $390(the video benchmark pricing is lower than what it now is on newegg) but when comparing side by side, the 7870 has 2GB Memory size and 256-bit memory interface vs. the 7950's 3GB and 384-bit, respectively. I don't know what that actually does and in terms of whether or not I will see tangible differences between the two, thus I am really shooting for the hip here. My educated guess would be the 7870.

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raphoenix
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OK.

We'll leave Video up in air and move on.

Will assume NO Cooler needed as you will not over-clock above 39 normal multiplier and Case has plenty of fans. (CPU K Suffix)

Will assume NO Wifi Device needed as you will use MB On-Board LAN.

Memory Stick (READ FEED BACK TAB)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/.....6820220552

(OEM) Windows 7 Pro-SP1 O/S
http://www.newegg.com/Product/.....6832116992

You Will Need LAN Cable if you do not already have one.

Please Re-Post all the Components of the New Build. :)

Rick P.

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DeliciousWaffles
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OK! so my new and much improved build as of now consists of:

my Motherboard

CPU

RAM

1TB HDD

SSD (1)

Tower

GPU (subject to change)

Win 7 pro

Power supply (unsure if 850W is enough)

and usb 3.0

~final cost (not counting rebates or taxes) is $1,728, where $2k is my limit for everything counting peripherals. As of now that leaves me a good amount of money for a monitor/keyboard/speakers, and maybe the other video card, not sure yet.

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raphoenix
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Review on Motherboard.
http://www.hardocp.com/article.....ard_review

Am still working on Main Power Supply and USB Thumb Drive.

Rick P.

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DeliciousWaffles
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I read that Motherboard review and it just affirms that the one I chose (that you suggested) is perfect. BTW, I can honestly say I have never read a review of anything quite as detailed and long as that. It was very thorough.

ok, I just recently found out that my 1080p 23' HDTV will work perfectly as a monitor, so now that I won't have to buy a ~$150 monitor I am going to go ahead and get the higher quality GPU of the aforementioned 2, the SAPPHIRE HD Radeon 7950.

Been doing some searching on PSU wattage, and how much is enough for me. I filled out a few PSU calculators, didn't get very close averages, and I have come to the conclusion that how much Wattage one actually needs can be fairly ambiguous. My stand point is my original PSU suggestion in my above post is more than enough wattage. I will NOT be using SLI/Crossfire since I am only getting 1 GPU, and I will not be overclocking. That said, if I want to do either or both of those things 2 or 3 years down the road I believe 850W will suffice.

I am not sure what else needs to be looked at in terms of the USB Thumb Drive; it seems like a super fast 3.0 USB, with pretty good reviews. My only concern was how many people had USBs that failed very soon after purchasing. To be honest, I don't use USBs that often, so I don't think that will be a problem for me.

Just to wrap things up, I might as well go ahead and put the final product I will be buying which would encompass everything I will be getting (including peripherals). Rosewill MX cherry Blue keyboard, after much debate, was the keyboard I decided on - after all, you gotta love that tactile feeling :)

If you have anymore final suggestions/thoughts, or see anymore problems with my build then that would be awesome! But this about wraps it up I believe!!!

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raphoenix
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DeliciousWaffles,

I worked on this a bit more this morning. :)

See Comparison of PSUs that will work for your Build.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/.....2D044%2DTS

Suggest Change to:
CORSAIR Professional Series HX850 (CMPSU-850HX) 850W ATX12V 2.3 / EPS12V 2.91 80 PLUS SILVER Certified Modular Active PFC PS
http://www.newegg.com/Product/.....6817139011
MUCH BETTER FEEDBACK TAB.

Suggest Change to:
Team X101 32GB USB 3.0 Flash Drive Model TG032GX101L3
http://www.newegg.com/Product/.....6820313215
MUCH BETTER FEEDBACK TAB.

The cost difference is a WASH BUT the Components have BETTER Reviews.

What do you think ????

Rick P.

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raphoenix
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BUMP so OP will see my ADDED answer in above reply.

Rick P.

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DeliciousWaffles
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ah, a little 3 way comparison I see. Well, I actually have been swayed in the direction of the HX750. I believe 750W is enough for me, and compared to your suggestion the big difference is the 100W more for the HX850. They both have outstanding Feedback. My original PSU choice (factoring rebates, which I will most definitely cash in on!) is within $5 difference from the HX750, but the 750 has much better feedback.

They seem to all have very similar Details, so my main concern is over wattage. In terms of 850W I would prefer your suggestion, but I think 750 is more than enough for me, considering I won't overclock or SLI/Crossfire.

Thinking ahead in the far future, if I ever were to crossfire the Radeon HD 7950, I believe the 750W PSU would still be enough, as evidenced by this 7950 crossfire Wattage Output The Peak wattage output for crossfire Radeon HD 7950 was 375W (I will never have dual monitors so that ~500W output is moot). At peak performance, that leaves me 375W left for everything else in my build, which I believe would satisfy).

So in the end I think the 750W is my best choice. In terms of USB 3.0, I think your most recent suggestion is the best definitely. much better feedback + lower cost.

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raphoenix
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Well that's why I put the 750W PSU in the mix. (LOL) :) :) Save You a Little Money !!

HOWEVER You WILL end up Over Clocking - Believe Me !! (LOL) (LOL) :) :)
Here is the Old Chipset 67 UEFI Bios Setup which is the SAME for the New Chipset 77 MBs.
http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1578110 (Read Total Setup Article)

Also Current AMD Radeon Drivers have O/C feature that you will need to adjust.

If you've noticed, I only "Guide but Never Decide" for the Builders. (LOL) (LOL)

Rick P.

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DeliciousWaffles
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wow there is so much about overclocking that goes over my head :0

I probably won't bother with that for awhile. Although that is a handy post to reference when I will do that. When I do end up overclocking, would you recommend me getting a CPU cooler? Like, at what point do you think I will need one? or maybe that is just something that I will have to keep in check by looking at the degrees Celsius of my CPU and determining on my own.

When you say the AMD drivers have overclocking ability that I need to adjust, what exactly do you mean? like if/when I DO decide to O/C, then will I also have to mess around with my GPU settings?

and on a personal note, I was wondering about something it said in your BIO. It said you were a "retired ME" Does that stand for Mechanical Engineer? Cause if it does, that is awesome because that is what I am planning to become eventually :D

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raphoenix
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First Setup the Build with the Heat Sink which comes with the CPU and Ensure ALL Components are functioning properly. You will need to learn a lot about computers before starting to O/C. :) :)

Remember you only have "one shot" to Clean Install Windows 7 on the SSD or you will have to Secure Erase Procedure it before beginning another Clean Install. That's why I sometimes recommend that New Builders Clean Install Windows 7 First on the mechanical hard drive until they become familiar with their new machines.

Also the MB Bios will need upgrading thus the little USB stick comes into play. (LOL)

Download the Motherboard MANUAL and READ it while you await parts.
http://www.asus.com/Motherboar...../#download

My Profile is correct although not all degrees are from the same school.

Rick P.

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DeliciousWaffles
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why do I only have one shot? If you recommend installing on my HDD first I will then. I have no idea what "secure erase procedure" is, or what terrible nightmares in entails, so I will keep my distance. I assumed I could install it on both, in whatever order, but if there are some weird problems I could encounter I will definitely go with the HDD first.

And what exactly is Bios? and do I update that before my Win 7 install? Maybe there is a good guide for installation setup or something instead of me asking you all of my questions :)

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germ-x
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Not really trying to rock the boat since Rick has devoted much research time with your build but if I was doing this build I might install my O/S on the 1TB hdd until you have everything is running as you want. Sometimes one has to do an O/S installation more then one time before things run smooth. You can then migrate your O/S onto your SSD.

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DeliciousWaffles
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yeah, No problem germ. I actually prefer multiple opinions. the more the better IMO.

I think I understand what you all are saying. Once I install my O/S onto my HDD and everything goes swimmingly, I will then install Win 7 for a second time onto my SSD, THEN I will move files I want that are currently on my HDD over to my SSD.

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germ-x
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Not quite,
When your system is up and running "GREAT" then you can just clone that O/S to your SSD.
No need to do another installation.

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DeliciousWaffles
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alright, well I think I will be ordering my parts in the next couple of days and it looks like I will be getting all of the parts in my above hyperlinks on this page, except I decided to change my CPU from i7 3770k to i5 3570k after posting my build on another forum and literally everyone telling me I should switch to i5 and that for my purposes i5 is actually slightly better (I doubled checked this, and it is true). But yeah,

Thanks again Rick for all of your help; you have been instrumental in getting my build set-up and suited to the best of my needs. :)

Well, I'm sure this won't be the last you hear of me because I am SURE to run into problems either in the installation stage or something. I am fairly positive of this!

-DeliciousWaffles

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