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Is There Any Reason to Actually Shut Down Your Computer?

With low-power standby modes and stable operating systems, it’s easier than ever to go days (if not weeks or months) without rebooting your computer. Is it still necessary to perform a full shut down?

Today’s Question & Answer session comes to us courtesy of SuperUser—a subdivision of Stack Exchange, a community-driven grouping of Q&A web sites.

The Question

SuperUser reader JFW wants to know if he’s missing out on something important by not shutting down his computer completely:

Nowadays with our modern operating systems, is it necessary to fully shutdown computers instead of choosing to stand-by or hibernate computers (desktops and laptops)?

Would there be any side-effects of keeping a computer running continuously without a shutdown (putting it to sleep or hibernating it when it is not used)? For example, hard drive life decrease, system internals (Processors, RAM etc.) aging faster than usual, etc?

What benefits, if any, do you gain from completely shutting down your computer?

The Answer

SuperUser contributor David Zaslavsky responds:

From a software perspective, an operating system and the programs you run on it tend to accumulate all sorts of cruft over extended periods of use – temporary files, disk caches, page files, open file descriptors, pipes, sockets, zombie processes, memory leaks, etc. etc. etc. All that stuff can slow down the computer, but it all goes away when you shut down or restart the system. So shutting down your computer every once in a while – and I do mean actually shutting down, not just hibernating or putting it to sleep – can give it a “fresh start” of sorts and make it seem nice and zippy again.

However, different computers and OS’s are not all equally affected by this phenomenon. Generally, a computer with a lot of RAM can go for much longer than a computer with only a little RAM. A server, on which you just start up a few programs and then let them work, will be fine for much longer than a desktop computer, where you’re constantly opening and closing different programs and doing different things with them. Plus, server operating systems are optimized for long-term use. It’s also been said that Linux and Mac OS tend to run for longer than Windows systems, although in my experience that mostly depends on what programs you use on them, and not so much on any differences between the kernels of the operating systems themselves.

If you’d like to do further reading more focused on your specific setup, make sure to check out additional How-To Geek articles on the topic like:

HTG Explains: Should You Shut Down, Sleep, or Hibernate Your Laptop?

Make Your PC Shut Down at Night (But Only When You’re Not Using It)

Should I Leave My Laptop Plugged In All The Time?

How to Make Your PC Wake From Sleep Automatically

Have something to add to the explanation? Sound off in the the comments. Want to read more answers from other tech-savvy Stack Exchange users? Check out the full discussion thread here.


Jason Fitzpatrick is a warranty-voiding DIYer who spends his days cracking opening cases and wrestling with code so you don't have to. If it can be modded, optimized, repurposed, or torn apart for fun he's interested (and probably already at the workbench taking it apart). You can follow him on if you'd like.

  • Published 01/3/13

Comments (62)

  1. nt0xik8ed

    i’ve always shut mine off because my grandma use to say if i leave the tv on and go away it’ll catch the house on fire. she was super old school…

  2. Dennis N

    You should definitely restart your computer semi-regularly, but shutting down is not necessary. Standby and hibernate cover your needs when the computer is not needed.

  3. Guidez

    I find that if I leave my computer on (unused) for more than 12 hours, it starts getting sloppy. Also since, it’s in my room, I turn it off a night.

  4. RA

    I always shut mine down at night because it runs very hot and loud, and because I once forgot and it woke me up at 3am with the screen and the avast antivirus update voice.

  5. Fantasm

    There are several reasons I shut mine off…
    [1]-I prefer it off during thunderstorms etc… That includes turning off the power bar…
    [2]-At night, it makes noise and I’m a light sleeper…
    [3]-Even small amounts of electricity add up over a year so if it’s off when I’m asleep or at work I save…
    [4]-I too have had mine “wake up” in the middle of the night…. usually doing an update… etc…
    [5]-The less the computer runs, the longer moving parts like Hard-Drives last…

  6. John Smith

    There is a difference between a shutdown and a reboot.
    Reboot is often needed. Software updates, files in use, hardware driver updates, memory leaks, running low on resources, …etc.
    Shut down? No valid reason, except for moving the computer around, or adding new hardware or replacing existing ones.
    By shutting down, you reduce expected life for your power supply, spike usage of power upon power up, and prevent auto updates to your operating system, antivirus software, and other software
    So basically shutting down for no reason is not smart. No matter what myths you read about hard drive and others having longer life by shutting the computer down.
    If your computer is running hot or loud, you either have a faulty hardware or incorrectly set up. Consider a better cooling system, and investigate which fan is causing the noise.

  7. John Smith

    Also, any argument against power consumption means that you are not up to speed. Enery star compliance is everywhere, unless if you have a hardware from the 1980’s.

  8. LadyFitzgerald

    I’ve always run my desktops 24/7 and restarted them every few days, if something gets a bit wonky between restarts, and when prompted when installing/updating programs. Laptops (specifically, the two netbooks and one notebook I’ve owned) I run only when I need them.

  9. Lee

    I’ve been leaving my computer on most of the time. At night or when I’m moving it (it’s a laptop) then I put it into sleep mode, but otherwise it’s usually on.
    If do reboot if I need to use Linux, and I typically shut it down if I’ll be away from it for a while (like more than a few days).

  10. Power Spike

    I’m not sure if this is any interest but…

    You can remotely start most any computer if you are able to send a “magic packet” to it. Of course, you do need to set the BIOS accordingly to allow remote wake up or “wake on LAN” (wol). You also need to have a capable power supply with enough current when it’s in the off state too (which is really no more electrical drain than having a “wall wart” transformer plugged in somewhere). Check your motherboard specs for more, although very often this is not a problem.

    Personally, I love the ability to start any of my systems remotely. All I do is tickle the off system’s IP address with a magic packet from something like my Android device (running the XBMC remote control app or something) and vola! By the time I’ve walked over to it or even tunneled in from half way across the world (via some rather simple port forwarding) it’s up and running having been completely off only moments ago.

    So if you ask me, shutting down should be done a lot more often. If for no other reason than to save energy which isn’t getting any cheaper, there’s very little reason not to shut it down – even for personal servers.

  11. gifi4

    Whenever mine isn’t in use, I shut it down. With SSD’s, there really is no reason to leave it in sleep mode/hibernation as the computer will boot up instantly.

  12. Me

    John, hate to say this, but you’re an idiot. I doubt if most people here go that long between hardware refreshes to even notice or care about the supposed physical damage shutting-down the computer you say causes. Here’s your FUD award.

    And I don’t care how efficient your hardware is- if it’s turned on IT’S SUCKING DOWN ELECTRICITY!! Over time, that amount builds up. And what about the heat generated by leaving the machine on, or do your PCs actually cool the house as well?

    The article said it right at the very beginning- an OS, especially Windows, NEEDS a reboot in order to keep it running smoothly and shutdowns/reboots do the job nicely. I’ve found that Sleep/Hibernate modes work for a short time before they start causing performance issues.

    Oh, and before I forget- why does shutting down mean your PC won’t auto-update? You too stupid (yes you are), to change the settings for those and/or just do them manually?

    BTW- these parts are made with vacuum tubes anymore… I am pretty sure the engineers know more about what they are doing than you.

  13. Me

    EDIT to read “aren’t made with vacuum tubes…”

  14. jeepmanjr

    I shut my PC off when I’m finished with it. IMHO, it really doesn’t make much sense to let a PC sit there and suck up AC if it’s not needed. Energy Star Compliant or not. It’s a waste!!

  15. BigTech

    It’s always good to refresh the pc fully every so often. As the Super contributor said. A PC gets a lot of cruft over time. And just because something is energy star does not mean it’s not using power and it adds up over time.

    Though as far as power saving goes. Hibernate is as good as Shut down since in both cases the system is powered down.

    Honestly, just turn it off every so often and you’ll be fine. When you go to bed, shut down. It’ll take a little longer to start up as opposed to hibernating, but ofr most of us that time is spent doing a wake up stretch.

  16. LadyFitzgerald

    “…but ofr most of us that time is spent doing a wake up stretch…”

    Or making that morning trip to the loo.

  17. Straspey

    And the number-one reason why you never shut down your computer is…

  18. tim

    never shut mine off. run 24/7/365. all of mine have & so have all of mine i setup for anyone else. they tend to last longer in my 15+yrs experience of doing this. you wouldn’t think so but it’s the truth, IMO.

  19. Jethro

    I use to keep my laptop on 24/7, but I had it set up to automatically reboot every day at 4am,

  20. Tom

    I’ve actually just bought a new i5 desktop and given how fast it boots up and loads my start-up programs (~10 seconds) there’s little benefit for me leaving it constantly on.

  21. toucan

    leaving electical devices on while unattended is a fire hazard, pure and simple.

  22. murdock01

    I leave mine on because I want to promote global warming. I don’t recycle. I drive my car as much as possible. Anything to support global warming; I hate cold weather.
    Also like John Smith said there are issues with the power on process that could shorten the life of your hardware.
    The only reason to power off it to do maintenance; reboot instead to clean up the OS.

  23. Hillmi

    Mine has been on for 5 years strait with an occasional reboot or shutdown. Been running recently for 3 months without rebooting or shutting down no probs.

  24. Khalid

    For me, shutting down is a terrible thing because my OS is Ubuntu and I run a guest OS (XP) and I have so many applications + development work active at a given time.

    However, I have to restart sometimes 3 times a month when Ubuntu runs its updates that require reboot. And doing this is a very bad experience since I have to restart all apps, shares, dev files, etc.

  25. Mike

    I have a macbook pro and notice when I use Logic Pro for long and just put it to sleep, RAM becomes really low, and machine becomes sloppy, so I reboot it every 2 days or so, when I am not using, I leave it sleeping, but since it’s a laptop, there’s no need to leave it attached to a power plug.

  26. cbr141

    @ toucan – Any electrical device, Really? How about your refrigerator? Bet you don’t mind leaving that electrical device on unattended.

  27. Sensata

    I do turn mine off out of habit. I also agree that a fresh start up is a good idea.

    Well said murdock01 – also all this rubbish about green hard drives and saving a few fractions of a watt/second here and there has nothing to do with saving energy – it makes zero difference and is nothing compared to the massive energy wasted making useless wind-turbines and their back-up systems. This energy-saving / carbon footprint nagging is all about fanatical Green fascists controlling our lives in every way. Carbon dioxide is essential for plant growth – the scare would be if there were not enough: so yes murdock01 keep driving your car – produce more carbon dioxide: help the earth to grow and ignore the lying Green fascists.

  28. Jim

    Two separate items:

    1) Grandma was right; Video monitors and TV sets with CRT’s (remember them?) DID and DO start fires more frequently than most other electronics. The high voltage supplies used a lot of power (generating heat and convection), attacted dust particles which would build up into a fire-speading mass, and would generate sparks.

    2) I disagree with the author’s statement: “A server, on which you just start up a few programs and then let them work, will be fine for much longer than a desktop computer”

    The small business I work for has Windows Server 2003 running Exchange Server 2003. Either the OS or Exchange Server has memory leaks that slowly but surely eat up RAM memory, which only a clean restart will correct. After a monthly restart, our server’s “page file usage” will usually go down by a gigabyte or so. Almost every Windows update demands a restart anyway.

  29. Christine

    For the past 15+ years, I shut my various PC’s down only when necessary. Storms, moving, leaving town for vacation, updates, new hardware, system maintenance (cleanup, defrag, uninstalls, etc.) – I find I have less issues than most and I do not have the newest hardware around. I do not own a laptop, if I did I would probably shut that off more regularly because I find they tend to run hotter but that remains to be seen.

    To the @Me user who commented earlier – you are just plain rude…

  30. ned11wils

    I have been using computers since 1981 and I shut down everytime. The operating system can slow down and is more likely to hang-up for long periods and even crash if it is used for many operations without rebooting. That simple.

  31. Sensata

    Well said Christine: ‘me’ is rude. The author, David, makes perfectly valid comments. If he’d been some Green bully nagging us about saving energy, he’d deserve all the insults we could muster; but he is just being sensible.

  32. Tom Kanat

    My computer is on 24 hours and seven days a week. If I go out for a vocation, I put if off.
    I found that keeping it on is more efficient than shutting down at night and rebooting in the morning.

  33. Sensata

    It’s later than you think: there are already electro/organic quantum computers that won’t permit you to turn them off…………

  34. skc

    Agree with Christine & Sensata. ‘Me’ seems to be one of these insensitives who do not care what they say, or about how others might feel. John is not an idiot. However with that attitude ‘Me’ may be one of those will not only make others miserable but ultimately become a misery to themselves. Now that I call idiotic!

  35. thegeekkid

    Here’s a big thing to ask: Is it a laptop or a desktop? Why do I ask that? Easy! A laptop is more prone to overheat than a desktop… even in sleep mode. Hibernate is OK on a laptop (in fact I do that most of the time… I have a program that is resource hog when it is starting that starts with my computer… I need it to start right away, I can’t have delayed start or anything like that, so the solution is to leave it “running” and use hibernate. I can’t tell you how many customers I have leave their laptop on or in sleep mode and then put it into a bag to bring it someplace. Big no-no. 1. It’s a fire hazard. 2. You will DESTROY your computer doing that.

  36. spike

    “Me” has a bit of sense, although yes, it could have been worded better. Also, CPU’s have average working life rated in hours running. Turning off your computer every night automatically extends your computer’s life dramatically.

  37. spike

    @thegeekkid: If the laptop is actually in sleep mode, it’s fine to put it in a bag and carry around. The fan is off, etc. It’s about as dangerous as the phone in your pocket- on. There is a danger where some people think the laptop has gone to sleep, but hasn’t.

  38. mikmik

    And what about the heat generated by leaving the machine on, or do your PCs actually cool the house as well?

    They make excellent space heaters. LOL, I had mine running all the time for downloading torrents, and I couldn’t understand why I was so hot when I woke up. Took about three days to realize what it was!

    Actually, it is a fire hazard as well. I really should find a better place to store my oil soaked rags and old newspapers, my computer case is almost full. LOL
    Not to sure what’s going to catch fire, myself. Perhaps something in the power supply. Has anyone ever heard of a computer catching fire? How about a fridge? Like, it’s bad to leave the stove on all the time, but a computer? When it’s in sleep or hibernate? If there is a problem with the house or apartment wiring, I’d go with a good UPS

  39. Bob1001

    Shutting down makes sense: it saves AC and wear and tear. And it’s easy – I just pull out the wall plug.

  40. Bob

    Whether to leave a computer on 24×7 or shut it down each night is an interesting question. For me, I have found there are less problems just leaving it on, but both ways have their pros and cons. Yes if you shut down a computer say once a day for example, it does clean up temp files and get rid of the junk left over. Also it reinitializes any software that is poorly written and doesn’t behave in a multi-program environment. But you can buy software such as BoostSpeed or PC Cleaner that will do the same thing and you can autorun them over night.
    I worked as a technician for a large computer manufacturer and I can tell you that most failures occurred during power up. You can prove this to yourself by noticing that most light bulbs fail
    when they are turned on.

  41. Cerveza

    Desktops Never. When I’m done with my machines, they are looking for cures for cancer.
    World Community Grid people.

    Laptops, turned off. If they live 4-5 years anymore they are lucky.

  42. Chuck

    Hey Tucan, do you unplug your t.v., fridge, stove, A.C., clocks, etc. ? They are all electrical and you shouldn’t leave them unattended. :)

  43. Rob

    I usually go a few weeks between reboots (finally do when WSUS starts pissing me off with updates). I shut my laptop and go… Not to start a battle, but my Windows 7 laptop does this without a hitch day in and day out (work laptop) while my MB does get pretty clunky after about a week.

  44. Robert Moulton

    The principle reason I shut my machine down every night is because, while the computer is in operation, it is pulling air through the heat sink. Unless you live in a dust/pet hair – free environment (which I definitely do not) this clogs the heat sink and the fans. Last time I left mine on for a week, I burned out the processor fan. Only a miracle I didn’t permanently damage the processor.
    BTW: I used to clean the entire chassis interior every 3 months, now I do it monthly.

  45. Paul

    There’s a bit of a difference between a fridge and a PC :) Leaving any electrical item on all the time increases the risk of fire. Electrical devices apparently account for around 34% of all accidental workplace fires (, and although I don’t know what the figure is for domestic fires I doubt it’s hugely different. So yes, there’s a measurable increased fire risk from leaving equipment on all the time. A fridge pretty much has to be on but a PC doesn’t, so why needlessly double the risk? Just to hammer the point home. my laptop power supply exploded (literally) a couple of weeks ago. Luckily it happened while I was there and I disconnected the smouldering, melting lump of plastic pdq, but if I’d been upstairs asleep it could have cost me rather more than a shopping trip to Amazon.

    Regarding energy usage, standby power typically consumes anything from 2 watts (phone charger) to 25 watts (PC + monitor). Add that up over a year and across a number of devices and it can easily come to an extra £100 on an electricity bill (no idea what the comparable US figures are, sorry!). It’s not a huge amount, but it’s money that could have been spent on ice cream :)

  46. Bill

    My workstation get restarted with Windows Updates. I tend to leave it run so I can access files over telnet or rdc. My desktop server, running Ubuntu as a SVN backup server has been online since…. November 19, 2009 :)

  47. Mugget

    I have to keep reminding myself to reboot my iMac. Although I usually know when it’s needed because of the slowdown… still handy to keep the uptime on my desktop!

  48. Dude

    Power consumption is a valid argument. Your computer is using electricity, your speakers are using electricity, your router, your power bar, etc., etc.. It’s not even about saving money, either; it’s about unnecessary waste. Speaking on a national scale, it adds up to an enormous amount of needless waste.

    I know that culturally, we Americans are supposed to have a “I got mine and screw everyone else” attitude, but we’re eventually going to have to grow up be responsible about our consumption of commodities.

  49. henry

    @ Staspey.

  50. Matt Gilbert

    I leave my main linux desktop machine on 24/7, months at a time. There is no need to reboot, as the system is stable and maintains it’s file system without my intervention – that’s why my cronjobs clean out logs and caches every morning at 4:45 a.m. Windows users have been conditioned to think that crashes, system instability, slowdown, and reboots are normal and necessary. Thunderstorms and power outages are not an issue with a UPS, I simply cannot imagine why anyone would not have a UPS. 24/7 operation also keeps keeps everything a constant temperature – temperature changes can cause the metal pins and connectors in ribbon cables to expand and contract when the system is powered up or powered down. Also, hard drives are most likely to crash during start ups than any other time. After 15 minutes my monitor shuts down, and I use hddparm to spin down the drives after about an hour, so the actual power consumption is quite acceptable. So it’s always up and running and available. It is, after all, a machine, and machines are supposed to serve man, not the other way around. My uptime is:

    ****burian@****sw12:~$ uptime
    18:58:43 up 273 days, 16:18, 5 users, load average: 0.61, 0.64, 0.45 Linux ****sw12 #2 SMP Thu Nov 20 22:32:43 CST 2008 i686 AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3200+ AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux

  51. Chemical


    You are 100% right. I’m going to unplug my alarm clock before I go to bed; ain’t nobody have time for a house fire!

  52. MikeMoss

    There’s another reason to shut your computer down when you aren’t using it.

    Dirt, if the fan runs then it’s sucking in dust, dog hair, and general crude.

    It’s the same reason that I always put my computer on my desktop and not under the desk on the floor.

    It greatly extends the time between having to open it up and clean all the fuzz, dust, and grit out.

  53. John Takolander

    Any unattended electric device is a fire hazard, especially oldish computers for instance. I always shut down my computer when leaving it and I also cut all power to the computer and its auxiliaries. Do the same!

  54. ElectronicGeek15

    I’ve been running my 4 yrs old laptop for ages now. The AC adaptor is constantly plugged in and I’ve been running it 24/7 since September 2012. It sits in top of a cooling pad and the CPU is always at almost 100% because I’m running a small Minecraft server. No problems so far…… Oh, and I have a 7 yrs old PC and its still running perfectly today. Defragments every week and I remove junk with CCleaner after defragmenting. Its running Windows 7 and plays Minecraft perfectly.

  55. Mike

    Energy star my butt!!

    You are still using electricity.

  56. paulc

    Going back some years (ee ba gum when you could go to cinema.. yeh enough of that) there were 2 schools of thought when it came to the hardware sides of running 24/7 and shutting down, was that the wear on the electronics (yes things have come a long way).

    First was, that constant restarting would put wear on the system as the electronics were subjected to the initial surge of current.

    Second was constant current would wear down the electronics.

    A lot has come along since those days, capacitors and resistors have improved no end, manufactures are hazy when it comes to their ‘time before failure’ when shut down and restarts are involved.

    Value you place on your computer parts and protecting them starts with your power supply, the better PSU you can afford the better conditioning of the power to the motherboard, the motherboard should then condition power to the peripherals on it, CPU, RAM, Graphics cards etc. Power from the PSU to the HDD’s is also crucial, poor power to the HDD’s can cause lots of problems!

  57. mike

    One thing that seems to be missing is, the connection.
    If your PC is live to the Internet then you give hackers all the time in the world to break into your machine. If the PC is off this becomes moot.

  58. Crasher

    Always shutdown when not needed, no matter how good the standby is it is still using power, haven’t you been told to have a smaller footprint and to leave a planet for our kids. Modern PCs (and other stuff) is fine to shutdown and problems, anyone that claims it will shorten the life of the PC is just silly. Pcs with SSD will boot in seconds so no time wasted. Don’t forget fire hazards and voltage spike…they can and do happen.
    Lastly all operating systems (no matter the heritage – dos/win/unix) all benefit from a restart now and again. The interval between needing these restarts really depends on what the system is doing.

  59. Bob Bobson

    I’m glad there are at least a few people aware of the waste of electricity; though saddened by the low numbers and even worse, people who seem to purposely not care.

    Wasting electricity is not only bad for the environment, but it unnecessarily and artificially increased power demand which drives electric rates up for everyone.

    It is idiots like my neighbors who cause cost of electricity to go up. They leave their stupid air-conditioner on all the time throughout the summer, even through the night, even when it gets cold. Businesses are just as bad. The stupid bank leaves every single one of their lights on even when they are closed as well as numerous large televisions running the same 30-second commercial in a loop. Morons like these waste electricity, pollute the planet, and cost the rest of us who cannot afford to pay exorbitant electric prices.

    There’s no excuse for most people to leave everything on all the time. If you absolutely must run a server, then either get a small, low-power device, or outsource it to a data-center to be run as a VM with a couple of dozen others on the same machine instead of having hundreds of power-sucking desktop systems running a single server.

    As for using sleep, it is okay if you must, but hibernation is better. It gives the benefits of sleep/leaving on by letting you resume where you left off, with the benefit having the system completely power down. This is good because you don’t risk losing anything if the power goes out or the battery runs outs. Hybrid sleep is a combination of sleep and hibernation (first it sleeps, then after a while, it wakes up and flushes the memory to disk to do a full hibernation).

    Even so, it is good to reboot once in a while. Not only is it mandatory for certain updates (yes, even Linux occasionally needs to reboot for some updates), but more importantly, you *will* have problems given enough time depending on your usage. Some people may be able to go a few weeks before some problem forces them to reboot while others might only last a few hours. Yes, Windows has improved, but even the “latest and greatest” get sluggish (besides, it’s not just the OS that causes issues, the programs do as well).

  60. LadyFitzgerald

    @ Bob Bobson. Banks and many other businesses leave the lights blazing primarily for security purposes (although they could be dimmed a bit or a few could be shut off) although, depending on location, the lighting is the only source of heat. I agree, running the displays with the commercials overnight is wasteful. Computers are left on so IT can do maintenance, etc. but they can be waked up remotely so leaving them on all the time isn’t really necessary. Besides the electricity computers consume, the amount of heat they throw off can be enough to run up AC costs (depending on location and time of year).

  61. Luke

    The main reason I shut my computer down is because I usually unplug it from the wall when it’s not being used (unless I’m downloading a large file).

    I do this mainly because I like to try and avoid any kind of electrical damage, such as a lightening strike, that may happen overnight or while I’m away. If I know a storm is near, I shut down and unplug asap.

    That said, I’ve always been in the habit of shutting down my computer at night so sometimes I do it just because it’s routine for me. However, my OS is on a SSD so it takes roughly five seconds to shut down, and less than twenty-five to start up.

  62. Sensata

    re Bob Bobson. There has been an encouraging lack of Green carbon footprint etc. nonsense on this board. Carbon dioxide is absolutely essential for plant growth and life on this planet generally, and essential in the functioning of the atmosphere – Green lies and brainwashing have persuaded people otherwise – but they are waking up to the lies.

    The amount of power that thousands of p.c.s in sleep or hibernate mode use is so fantastically tiny compared to the massive waste of power and resources that occurs in the building of just one of the tens of thousands of monstrous and horrendously wasteful and inefficient wind-turbines. Pieces of ugly, noisy, bird-killing junk which ruin the landscape and out of which Greens and corrupt businesses have gained great political power and made billions of our taxes in the form of subsidies. Turbines: testaments to Green mindless dogma, brainwashing, lunacy and greed for political power that will end up disused and rotting in a few years as many already are. These are just one example of Green damage to our environment and lives.

    Fractions of watts per hour used by our p.c.s has to be seen in the context of Green damage to the environment, lunacy and waste.

    Anyway if the Greens continue to ruin our lives, we shan’t be able to run anything electrical: we’ll have to use candles in order to read the latest tree-hugging instructions from our Green tyrannical governments.

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