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Macs Don’t Make You Creative! So Why Do Artists Really Love Apple?

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Chances are you have at least one “creative” friend who’s a Mac advocate. Ever wondered how Apple got a reputation as the “creative company,” or why artists are so drawn to them? Surely, computers can’t make you creative, can they?

Maybe you’re an avid Mac Hater, or maybe you’re an Apple advocate—chances are you’ve heard of this myth and wonder why people all seem to think this way. Take a look through the history of Apple, and see why Macintosh has become so synonymous with desktop publishing, photography, creativity, and design industries.

Macs Popularize the Graphic User Interface (GUI)

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Contrary to opinion, Apple did not create the first operating system with a Graphic User Interface. The Xerox Alto was the inspiration behind the first Apple computers with GUI-based operating systems. Developed in the seventies, the Alto (as well as many other computers) were not commercially viable products, and were used mostly by engineers, many at Xerox.

The idea of “Personal Computers” was, at one time, completely alien. Computers, as most people knew them, were complex machines that cost many thousands of dollars and required teams of engineers to program proprietary machine code to even do modest tasks. Apple was inspired by the friendliness of the GUI Xerox had developed, and began developing more affordable computers and their own Graphic User Interface.

By the early 80s, Apple had put out a number of machines, including the famous Apple II, as well as the Apple Lisa, the first Apple computer to feature a GUI. Lisa was a disastrous product, despite being Apple’s brave first foray into Graphic Interfaces. By 1984, Apple launched the first Macintosh, and began building their reputation as a group of outsiders—dangerous, creative people thinking “outside the box.” In a world dominated by IBM clones and DOS-boxes, the Macintosh was radically different than practically anything on the market at the time. With the famous “1984” commercial, Apple began to market their brand, appealing to customers that appreciated the nice graphical touches and artistic details the monospaced text of DOS couldn’t provide.

Graphics? There’s An App For That

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Apple has come under fire, criticised for creating “closed platforms” in the iOS-based iPhone and iPad devices. Despite all of this, a lot of Apple’s early success can be attributed to the Apple II, which was designed with a lot of the openness we expect in personal computers today.

The Apple II allowed for customization beyond the basic, closed platform of Apple I, with third-party companies creating expansion devices, adding ports, controllers and hardware as users demanded. The Apple II was also a huge success because Apple stepped away from the business model of the day, and allowed third-party software companies to develop software that could be installed an run by their machines. Before the age of Apple II, most computers only had software developed by the same company selling the hardware. Apple II enjoyed runaway success when the first spreadsheet program, Visicalc, was created and sold by Visicorp, making the Apple II one of the first computers with any serious business application.

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Early into the Macintosh’s history, Adobe stepped onto the scene, creating Postscript and the concepts needed to create vector based fonts. Postscript was developed by ex-Xerox PARC engineers, which by 1985, brought quality, printable graphics to users via the Apple Laserwriter, one of the first laser printers available commercially on the market.

Jobs also claims that his interest in fonts and calligraphy was one of the reasons good typography was such a major part of the early Macintosh machines. Adobe’s work with Postscript led to the development of the first digital fonts, using tools that they had to create themselves. Low resolution displays were completely inappropriate for recreating typography with any degree of accuracy, so Adobe engineers developed vector drawing tools that eventually became Illustrator 1.0, once the tools were marketed to consumers. Macintosh owners could start installing Illustrator 1.0 as early as 1987, with a serious upgrade by 1988, marketed as “Illustrator 88.” Computer-based design was on its way to becoming viable, and Adobe began to target its Mac-based software at Graphic designers and professional creatives.

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Around this time, a University of Michigan graduate student began developing a raster-graphics program for his Macintosh he would later name “Photoshop.” Presenting his software to Adobe, Photoshop quickly became a company-defining product for them, and shipped in 1990 as Macintosh only software, quickly becoming the market leader in graphics software. With two of the earliest commercial design products under their belt, as well as some of the earliest quality fonts, Adobe had more or less created computer-based graphic design as we understand it today, and had done it largely using Mac as a platform.

Selling Computers to People That Don’t Like Computers

Apple had gone through some tough times, and were attempting to reinvent themselves again as a friendly and user-friendly computer company. With the popularity of Windows overshadowing their market share, Apple chose to strategically simplify their machines and begin marketing to users, stressing easy setup and simple, attractive design.

In an era when nearly all computer cases were plain beige boxes, masses of cables and boxy monitors, Apple engineered neat, compact computers like the first iMac, and made them available in bright, collectible colors, a strategy they continue to use to this very day. While their early marketing push to design-oriented computer users was arguably a success, Apple was now attempting to reach a new market in users that were simply intimidated by computers. And while Microsoft had done their part in simplifying the operating system for users, they didn’t offer the emphasis on design Apple put into their hardware.

By emphasizing the design of unique hardware and ease of use, Apple managed to capture the market share of artistic and creative users, many of which were not computer-savvy nor liked beige boxes. And, as such, while Windows was quickly becoming a viable platform for Adobe’s Photoshop and Illustrator—most creative people probably wouldn’t have understood why anybody would even want to use a Windows based machine.

OS X, Cross Platform, and Intuitive Programs

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In 1999, OS 9, the final operating system in the “classic” line was replaced by OS X, an entirely new OS based on Unix and BSD operating systems. OS X focused in even more on Apple’s core market of design-appreciating and art-friendly crowd. The increasing popularity of the internet made it necessary for the operating system to be more friendly towards Windows machines.

Apple created simple program launchers and slick new desktop environments, making the incredibly complex machine as simple as possible for computing-challenged users. During this transition, Apple had to change their hardware from PowerPC architecture processors, opting instead to go with Intel. This cleared the way for XP installations on Macintosh machines, much to the chagrin of many Mac evangelists.

This move toward Intel caused serious problems with Adobe software, among others. Windows XP had become an accepted platform for Photoshop, and this sudden change to Intel computers left a gap in service for the Macintosh’s killer apps, Photoshop and Illustrator. Many Mac users delayed their upgrades, as this dramatic change temporarily rendered the major reason for buying a Mac, in their eyes, unusable. It wasn’t long after when Apple created emulators and Adobe created the Intel based Creative Suite 3, and irate designers and artists could stop worrying about why they could no longer get Photoshop on a Mac.


It becomes clear that Apple’s reputation as the “hip, creative company” has been a combination of their smart marketing going back to the very early days of the company. While they have expanded their marketing to mass market products like the iPod or iPhone, their emphasis on aesthetics and simple, easy operation clearly stem from their roots as the platform for digital graphics and design. Whether they’ll remain as the go-to choice for artists and designers, or, as their market share increases, transition to something else entirely, still remains to be seen.

Image Credit: I love Mac by nakagawa, available under Creative Commons.

Eric Z Goodnight is an Illustrator and Graphics Geek who hopes to make Photoshop more accessible to How-To Geek readers. When he’s not headbanging to heavy metal or geeking out over manga, he’s often off screen printing T-Shirts.

  • Published 03/9/11

Comments (97)

  1. Zerodash

    Oddly enough, Apple products (through their popularity) exemplify the very conformity and “me too” mentality the company’s marketing sought to go against. Also, the cult-like devotion many people have for Apple has very little to do at this point with the actual products the company makes- try to make even the most fair and reasonable criticism of a minor aspect of any Apple product in front of a devotee…and see how upset, defensive, and confrontational they become.

  2. Eric Z Goodnight

    People are odd that way.

  3. Tyler

    I’m an Apple hater personally – however their marketing is something that other companies should learn from. Now, Jobs could come onto stage, with a white box with a single button on it shaped like an Apple, and when you press the button it says “Apple, we’re better than everyone else” and still be able to sell it for £100: purely because it has an Apple logo on it.

  4. Urichhai

    I actually sat down once with a fiend who is a apple fanatic and showed her that i could build her exact computer for 1/3 of the price she paid for hers. To say that she was very confrontational about the fact that it wasnt an apple and in no way could it be better goes without saying. Apple has now gone to using older tech but charging outragious prices and I agree that many of my friends who are “Creative” have fallen under the Apple dogma that seems to have hipnotized the population? Even tho you can show people that you can do the same thing with a PC and good software they are still more than happy to shell out their money. Steve is pretty good at selling snake oil and would have been a wonderfull travelling “Miracle Elixer” salesman.

  5. AppleFUD

    Way back it was true that the Mac was the computer to use for graphics. . . way way back.

    That hasn’t been true for a very long time and a Mac is no different than a PC. All the internal parts are the same. A Mac now runs on BSD which is THE LEAST SUCCESSFUL open-source operating system. Apple picked it because of it’s licencing–they could make it proprietary. Anyone that wants a Mac at 1/5 the cost–get a PC and slap BSD on it!

    Steve Jobs has always been good at convincing people of an “Apple illusion.” Think different? Go against big brother? Those are all an illusion the company used to get people are board. To make Apple look hip and trendy. However, it has never been a reality. Steve’s mentality has always been that of big brother and conformity, thus the first Mac was the first “locked down” personal computer in history. . . and Jobs has followed that trend to this very day. It’s all just a marketing illusion for the naive.

  6. Luie

    @Zerodash
    That’s what happens when you make a limiting ad campaign. You paint yourself into a corner, and the original customers feel like the company has gone main-stream and lost touch with their roots.

  7. Mike

    Keep in mind, the outrageous pricing of Apple products is part of the advertising and image. Even if the computers themselves are cheap to build, and can be built much cheaper, that doesn’t make it an “elite” product. You want the best car? Its going to be the most expensive. The best jewelry? Also the most expensive. The best restaurants? The most expensive. So by Apple setting their price point so high, it gives them an “I’m better than you, simply because I’m more expensive” approach, and tech-challenged individuals eat it up. Its the most expensive, so it HAS to be the best, right? Also, Apple customers get very defensive and confrontational because, when it comes down to it, a purchase that costs far greater than the comparitive value has to be strictly defended or the purchaser comes across looking like a sucker and an idiot. So by setting their price point so high, they are both creating a false “elite” image, and creating a fiercely defensive and loyal following.

  8. Mark

    @Urichhai
    That’s funny, because I’ve also had this same conversation. Something I’ve learned is that people don’t care about how much you could have saved them, after they’ve spent the money. Exposing ignorance doesn’t enamour people. Shocking.

  9. Bill

    I switched from pc to mac when my family’s pc’s could not go a week without some kind of attention to viruses, slow downs, and the like. It has been four years now, and I haven’t spent a single minute on those kinds of issues on my family’s Macs. Is it perhaps that creative people prefer to spend their time being creative?

  10. Merriam Powell

    Thank you Bill! I had a windows based pc for as long as I have been using computers, after using a Mac at a place I worked years ago, I fell in love. I have had a Mac for awhile now, and only paid about $200 more for it than I would have a pc. You spend that the first couple years in decent anti-virus software, that I do not need for my Mac, and what happens if you can no longer afford that software? There isn’t a company yet that makes decent free anti-virus software, within a month the speed of your pc will diminish so much that it will be barely useable. I wouldn’t go back to a pc if you gave me one for free. I like to spend my time being creative, not waiting for my computer, or trying to fix it yet again, which was all I ever did with a pc.

  11. Manrico

    You guys can say what you want but I am NOT an artist (far from it) and still LOVE Macs. I bought the first Mac in Italy in 1988 for my wife (a graphic designer) and now I own 5-6 at home (I even tried a clone during the “dark” age).
    I just completed the switch to Macs at work were I started with Unix in 1993, W-95 in 1995, W-2K in 1999 and W-XP in 2002.
    The Mac server set up took all of 6 hours and and the workstations did not require any. I have to use W-7 with Parallels because of the accounting and UPS apps and OS 10.6 is still a far superior system.
    The hardware is also top notch. It is well worth the money.

  12. Sara

    I think the biggest argument FOR Mac (which could also be transferred to Linux) is just an argument AGAINST PCs — they always crash, you always lose stuff, and they always have viruses. I have gone through 3 work PCs while my MacBook has never had a single issue. As a creative, I don’t want to waste my time on the inevitable instability of Windows.

    Again.. Linux is another option.

  13. Urichhai

    Well thats kind of a BS statement because I have found many very good AV programs that dont cost anything and microsoft Security Essentials (which is free for all versions) is being tested on my machines (all 6) andf have had no problems what so ever. If you happen to know anything about Viruses/Trojans you would realize that your chance of actually getting a Virus on your home system are minimal, you have a better chance of getting a trojan mostly because you are not watching what you are doing. kids have a better chance because they like to download crap and never watch what they are doing. By the way your Mac will soon be vulnerable to Trojans because the hackers are starting to realize that more people think there mac is so secure and pretty soon they are smart enough to see that there is a potential for getting into these machines.

  14. Andrew

    Apple makes a good product but it is way overpriced. I don’t use Mac computers but had to support them and didn’t have any problems. When the business closed I worked for I was able to take 2 of the Mac’s home. I cant remember the model but they were the colorful monitors with the guts inside of them. One worked like a charm, the other gave all kinds of problems. Never could get it to work good. I chalked it up to a hardware problem. I am definitely an iPod and iPhone advocate. They are unbeatable.

    I sold computers for a bit and people were buying Mac’s because they were cute. Give me a break.

    As for creativity, it is an illusion. PC or Mac they do the same. I think the software is key not the platform.

    As for virus’s, yes PC’s have more but they hold the bigger market share so they will be attacked more. With a good virus and malware program you shouldn’t have any issues.

    Sure people want to spend more time being creative but with a little common sense you can do the same on a PC. Being so creative you would think they could figure that out. The issue with that portion of computer users is that have all these issues is because they don’t know how to use/maintain a computer properly. My mother had issue at first with PC’s. Then I looked at her computer. I installed a good virus program and advised about regular updates. Previously she had this and that game installed, weather bug, desktop characters and various other programs running on start up. All with bloat ware. Once I educated her she hasn’t had those issues anymore.

  15. mahdee

    I have a mac n a pc. excluding all issues , i love to work at mac for better display, keyboard, app-switching, 14-15 days of keeping a single app open without any slowdown, its heat up less, battery has longer life, slim,fonts look better. Well, its my preference of liking these, you may not.

  16. Lana

    Macs are used by graphics oriented buisnesses because they have been running stable 64bit OS and software for years as well as having Photoshop as their big price horse. Ever seen a desktop Win PC with 64+GB RAM running well enough for professional use? The maintenance on Macs is a lot lower than on PCs since the same company makes the hardware and software. There is a lot less fuss with scrambling all licenses together, which lowers administrative costs. And there is UNIX underneath that all, so a lot of batch processing can be automated right from the console.

  17. Ariel

    YES! EXCELLENT ARTICLE! Thank you, thank you, thank you for spreading the truth about Apple. So many people have gotten suckered into the marketing illusion they’ve perpetrated, making some Apple users believe they’re using a somehow “superior” product to your PC architecture, as variated as they may be. Apple? Ain’t no thang but a PC, y’all.

  18. Urichhai

    Ever seen a desktop Win PC with 64+GB RAM running well enough for professional use?

    Uh yes.

    The maintenance on Macs is a lot lower than on PCs since the same company makes the hardware and software.

    Excuse me but apple dosnt make their own hardware and never has.

    UNIX underneath that all, so a lot of batch processing can be automated right from the console.

    And how many Users actually know how to do that? Not many from the people I know who have Macs.

  19. Jblow

    “… making the incredibly complex machine as simple as possible for computing-challenged users.”

    I’ve worked with computers (on the technical and creative sides — Windows, Mac, Sun, SG, DEC, HP(ix), etc — since the mid-80s. I design Unix/Linux systems, do some coding, and am the sysadmin for a network that runs servers in 11 countries around the world for an international media corporation.
    My laptop (where I live my worklist) and home computers are all Macs — things just work and I am quite at home on a Unix terminal.

    If “computing-challenged” means I don’t have time to waste worrying about or screwing around with the OS on my workstations, I just want to get my (creative or technical) work done, then count me in.

  20. dave

    I own a Mac, I love my Mac. Having said that, I build PC’s as a hobby and currently have several PC’s running in my home. The one’s I built for my wife and my kids run Win 7 Home Premium. Frankly, it’s the best OS MS has built thus far (as it should be). It isn’t a second fiddle to OS X and anyone who isn’t a complete fanboy knows that it gets the viruses because it is the biggest and most lucrative target. MS Security Essentials runs on all of them and it too is damn good at what it does. I keep a couple of PC’s for testing the various Linux distros constantly updating them. I would highly recommend a Linux machine to any family that has kids who want their own system particularly budding programmers and engineers. In other words, each has it’s niche and it’s strengths and weaknesses. Anyone who blindly argues for one over the other is just fooling themselves.

  21. sheppo

    @mahdee
    > I have a mac n a pc. excluding all issues , i love to work at mac for better display, keyboard, app-switching, 14-15 days of keeping a single app open without any slowdown, its heat up less, battery has longer life, slim,fonts look better. Well, its my preference of liking these, you may not.

    windows 7 here running on 3+ year old hardware. #
    never have to reboot other than for itunes upgrades (lol!), never have stability issues, or overheating. No viruses, no security issues, and i use to run media centre (extended to 2 xboxes streaming and recording HD tv), video and audio production, and playing the latest games. It cost at least half the price of the equivalent apple device at the time (i could probably buy something 4 times as fast now, since apple hardware lacks behind). Personally i find task switching much much easier on windows, but i guess this is a personal preference – i couldn’t get over how i could minimise a task to the dock on osx, but alt-tabbing to it wouldn’t restore the window… counter-productive.

    oddly, i still have a mac book pro 14″ laptop from around 4 years ago. that thing ran hot to touch, literally… the case literally runs around 50c @ idle. came with osx 10.4, and it can barely run 10.5 without slowing down to a grind, oddly, it runs windows vista and windows 7 perfectly. go figure.

  22. grrr

    artists techies = believers in magic and unicorns + simple digi-finger paint

  23. Rick McKnight

    I love AMIGA

  24. twofish

    Here is why I use a mac, after using a pc for 5 years (doing creative work the whole time):

    - The Marketing. I like shiny things.

    OK, on to the real reasons:

    - No virus stuff to guard against. People who say “Mac users just don’t know how to protect the pc’s cheaply” – are missing the point.

    - Font rendering. Windows font rendering is pooh. People who care about such things, like the way a mac renders fonts. A big deal to creative folks, not so much for others.

    - The creative people who use macs make smart tools and apps for creative people who use macs. I like this.

    - I things that are well-designed. That’s not just what it looks like – but how well it works. Not just hardware, but OS too. Mac’s run circles around pc’s in that dept.

    - Ok, ok. You got me. I like them because they look great. I’m into that kind of thing, because that’s my business. I make good ideas look and work better.

    - The whole – just don’t download stuff that is bloatware and you’ll be a happy pc user – is a silly argument. My mac doesn’t slow down from bloatware. I don’t even know what that is.

    I will never go back…

  25. keith keller

    this was pretty biased. it was never mentioned apple was close to going bankrupt 10 or 15 years ago. microsoft had to give them a couple million to stay afloat so they can say they still have “competition” to the courts. commodore was just as hot back in the days of the amiga. they went under in ’94. i still think windows slightly resembles the amiga “workbench” but there’s no one to sue them for it. :)

  26. Another Mike

    I love these posts! I remember longer ago than I like to admit when I was looking to buy a camera the howling between Canon and Nikon users. Someone at that time made the comment that photography would never be art. The reason? Artists don’t argue over what kind of brushes they use. Computers are tools after all. I have both MAC and PC. To someone with a hammer the whole world is a nail.

  27. rino

    i’m a Mac hater.. i’m an Apple lover… Apple ][ that is :-p

    i’ve tried a Mac once.

  28. test

    I just say one thing and not any more, and that’s it
    dealing with Mac is limitation.

  29. johnp80

    I really don’t like Apple’s business model, I feel that it is designed to rip off the consumer, and I really hope that they get enough of a marketshare, because they, unlike microsoft will not survive the Anti-trust suits and anti-competitive business practices suits that will come.
    That being said, I do like some of their hardware designs, and think that pc makers could do better with theirs.
    I also wish that windows would offer a better command line, you shouldn’t have to download cygwin to get control of your command line, Powershell is just not enough.

    The GUI design….meh, there really isn’t much of a difference to me anymore, I can make windows look like a mac if I want, I can make linux look like a mac, but its really not that much better.

    I kinda like the iPhone, can’t see a use for the iPad, except as an oversized iPhone/remote control/overpriced e-reader.

    I also don’t trust Apple and the new Mac App Store, they are arrogant enough to force you to have to jailbreak your computer, not just your iPod/iPhone/iPad.

  30. Jackfinished

    It is REALLY sad to see so many users (Mac, Windows, and Linux) identities self image tied to their choice of computer. They are computers, stop personifying them.

  31. Steve

    I’ve always been a Windows user for desktop work, Linux for servers. I set up OS X once in a virtual machine, got it working and all. Installed a few applications and then I shut it down and never started it again. I was bored because I couldn’t run my favorite Windows apps and 90% of my games weren’t working, so far for that.

    To the users who switched from Windows to OS X and love OS X now and hate Windows: how much did your Windows computer cost? Probably somewhere between $300-500? And your Mac was probably more than $800. I can understand that a more expensive computer gives a better experience. When I was a kid and couldn’t afford a decent PC and yes the inferior hardware gave me problems. But now I have a decent PC with quality hardware. It runs Windows 7 very fast and I really enjoy using it. It hanged once in the 2 years I’m using it. Next time buy a decent PC and you might actually enjoy it.

  32. Lucky

    People that keep making comments about PC’s “always crashing, always down, losing stuff, virus ridden” etc, etc, etc.; Macs are for you. PC people don’t have those problem because they usually know how to avoid those issues. I wish my parents would have bought a Mac because they always call me for tech. support. They are Mac type people. They surf the web, print out flyers, and check email. Most people that do those type of things don’t need the extra hassle that a PC can provide. I’m a PC person. It’s OK to have two different computer formats. Each one has it’s strengths and weaknesses. Macs can almost be displayed as art. Some PCs should be hidden in the basement. And Macs are easier to use (for non-PC people). To a lot of people, those things are worth spending the several hundred dollars more for the Apple. The iPhone is a perfect example of that.

  33. JCtheWizard

    Let’s not forget the focus of IBM and Apple’s marketing.

    Back in the beginning – around 89-90 – there were the two groups of computer users; graphic artists / advertising / media AND accountants / publishers / lawyers.

    After IBM came out with their 1st functional machines Visacalc and WordPerfect became to main programs of the day. IBM was quick to offer colleges and universities their machines for students to learn on – thus, upon getting jobs in their respective fields, the IBM platform became the foundation tool for those applications.

    The same thing occured with Apple products; they too offered colleges and universities their machines for students to learn on – and PhotoShop was the foundation for media arts. Additionally, due to the Apple’s processing speed (back then) they became the system of choice in the music industry.

    Providing computing equipment for student use paid off in spades for both companies.

  34. Semarlow

    So we’re telling Mac horror stories? I worked in IT at a college that has a small Mac lab for the art department. One day one of them wouldn’t start at all. No lights or beeps to signal why. Had to drive almost 2 hours to the nearest Apple store so a “Genius” could replace a stick of RAM. I’m not saying RAM doesn’t go bad in PCs; I’m saying it doesn’t put an employee out for the remainder of the day due to not being able to troubleshoot it yourself.

  35. Eek

    @Another Mike

    As a fine arts student…i could not agree with you more. I honestly have never had any problems with my pcs. i built then myself and have bought laptops as well. I do not download things I cannot trust, i dont open random spam emails etc.
    I PERSONALLY like to open up my computer and put in the new graphics card or memory upgrade.

    Yes macs look pretty. But if you were really into that kind of stuff…i mean honestly?…you can do it yourself. and chances are, you can make something way more Awesomerererer.

    as far as functionality, i can see valid arguments for either side. HOWEVER, my pc (i have extensively used macs as well) has nothing NOTHING to do with how creative i am or my end product.

    I know i read about this somewhere, but couldnt you install OSX or leopard or lion on a pc? I mean, if you had an intel chipset, wouldnt it essentially be the exact same thing, different chassy and same “amazing functionality” that everyone is talking about?

    Maybe we should have an article here on how we can dualboot or choose to boot wi7 or OSX? that would be the awesomestestest. (these are words).

  36. ExTexan

    Happy to see an article about Macs that give credit where it’s due, Xerox PARC. I worked for Xerox during the 70′s and was a tech on the later Star workstation system which was not mentioned. It’s features included, besides the GUI, the mouse, desktop icons representing apps, documents, trash can etc. on a 17″ CRT, black on white. Also it used Ethernet developed at PARC and large servers for the time, (300MB, yes Megabytes) in dish washer sized units with multiple large removable platters, the workstations had 40MB 8″ drives and 8″ floppy disks for loading apps. and backup. It was used extensively by NASA in Houston to design many of it’s space systems. Also widely used by attorneys in Houston. Fun times.

  37. Eric Z Goodnight

    @ExTexan: Xerox was pretty incredible. I really enjoyed writing and researching this. The history of computer science is really interesting. I think partly because it’s so recent it still seems really tangible, yet our perception is that our current machines and tech are so far beyond what we had only a few years ago.

  38. Diggerjohn111

    It’s all about the marketing, it’s a cult. I worked in a lab that had a Mac and 3 PCs, the Mac made a great paper weight.

  39. Eric

    Twofish–

    I too make my living in the creative area. I agree with you on the aspects of design. With a Mac, you are paying for polish. But in the end, we have really over paid for an extremely polished PC. I love my Mac. I also love my PC more. Fonts do render better on a mac but if you are not viewing them on a Mac, who cares? Besides, not all fonts render poorly. Just a few of them have given this a bad name. Helvetica, you know I am talking about you!

    Anyway, you can have a Mac for years, true. But after all those years you have tons of problems! Firstly, you need to pay to upgrade your OS each time it comes out on a Mac. If you don’t, Apple does NOT support older versions at all. Try running Parallels on Tiger with Windows 7. It should be easier than how you have to go about it. Not to mention that if you do not have the latest version of your hardware, you cannot fully utilize all the newest programs which you should be using if you are a reputable designer. This gets incredibly expensive!

    Macs only appear to boot faster than a PC because it loads the essentials first. Try to get on the internet right after you see the desktop… it won’t work. Mac’s location of the Apple button is better however for copy paste. I will give it that. Why not have a button to eject your dvds on the actual computer? Its silly on the keyboard. Both places would be better. Why not have a print screen buutton? Why make your users press 3-4 buttons or download software to make it happen easier? At least when you take a screenshot it goes to a file and not to the copy/paste mystery zone. (shame on you windows).

    So my point is that the total lifetime cost for a Mac vs PC is so high on the Mac end that while the Mac software is superior, it is not superior by a large margin. It is definitely not a large enough margin to justify thousands of extra dollars every couple years for the equipment. That’s just a bad investment practice. I can buy a new Mac for 2-3k. I can build an equivalent PC (in hardware) for around 600-1.5k. Worth it? I think not.

  40. Chuck

    Lets be realistic here people. The only reason people like Macs is because of the whole virus thing. But as some smart people here have pointed out, viruses are only for the idiots who don’t know what they are doing. Do not fool yourself into thinking Mac PCs are not vulnerable to viruses as there have been some (not many) but only because they are not mainstream like Windows is. But perhaps you should pay attention to the news recently as a virus did hit both Macs and Windows so that shows it can happen and will happen as Mac market shares grow.

  41. antenasub

    There’s a lot of “techs” that think that they know best just because they took an A+ course and kind of learned how to build a cheap generic pc, if one were to build a nice pc for performace with good components you would find it would cost the same as if you just purchased a Mac pro (minus the time you invested) Apple builds they’re pc’s with quality components comparable to alienware or silicone graphics and even if you compare prices the these you will find Macs cost less, If you know how to customize it and tweak it you could make it even better! I find that is always the case that Mac haters have never even used a Mac before, much less even know how to operate it, I am proficient at both platforms and have no problem using either but I generally use Windows for work and Mac for home, professional music production and video editing. Ah one more thing, I have vista installed on my MacBook pro “13 an its super fast, faster than on any other pc box I have ever used, I will install win7 pretty soon but I bet I will get even better performance.

  42. Torengo

    A very nice read and history of Apple, but I do think much of Apple’s current popularity is largely due to the original iPod. It was like a gateway drug to a world of Apple.

  43. Daffas

    My college supplied us Mac’s for art students and after using it for a good 6+ months. I can say that I still like PC’s better. For me mac has to many limitations on what I want to do. I cant go and defrag a mac (something to do with it already doing that. I prefer to do it myself), programs dont take up the whole screen so I end up clicking on whats behind. Not sure if its my mac or what but there is no mouse support (it doesn’t move right when trying to get close to objects on the screen.) And no game support. But now that macs are getting more popular i’m sure that will change.

  44. John

    Huh, weird. Maybe I just don’t know enough Mac users, but I wasn’t aware that the claim “using a Mac makes me a more creative artist” was even a factor for them. I always thought it was Apple’s reputation/image which builds heavily on PR as well as their unique hardware and interface design. I don’t use a Mac because (for example) I don’t agree with certain usability paradigms home to Mac OS … however, I know that people are the same way about Windows or Linux.

  45. 1Sam2RuleThemAll

    “i’m a Mac hater.. i’m an Apple lover… Apple ][ that is :-p”

    I agree fully. I switch between linux (usually ubuntu) and windows constantly. However, i will not even give Macintosh a second glance. I used to own a macbook, as i was curious about its likeness to linux (mostly because of (an at least distant) relation to Unix) but soon found out that i would not be able to do anything out of the macintosh jurisdiction. No true administration. I liked the looks, but thats it. I love the Win 7 look, though.
    However, ipods WIN. i have never found a media player of that form with the same ease of use. Sorry “other mp3 player” fans, but i have never found a device manager that converts as easily as itunes.

  46. ReVeLaTeD

    I am an MCSA and MCTS for Windows 7. I know more about Windows 7 than my entire international IT department, I wager – people who like to stick with what’s supported until it’s not THEN upgrade a version behind all the time. By the time they upgrade to 2007 Exchange, 2014 will have rolled around. It’s the reason I think Microsoft is too lax with its software support timeframes – should slice them in half.

    Anyway, I sold my Gateway for a MacBook, and a lot of people talk about why. I go to a lot of customers where they are replacing for Macs. Some of you don’t really get the reason for the price premium, or why it makes sense for some to go Mac.

    1: People say “I can build that for a third of the cost!” yes, so could I. But then I’d have to self support it. For the common consumer that is just not a viable option.

    2: I won’t be able to build a laptop myself which is what I use primarily.

    3: I do have an iMac – 27″ iMac – that I use for the heavy lifting, video encoding, file share management, etc. It’s basically a server that isn’t. To match its power in a PC form factor would take up 4x the desk space. Not a viable option when the thing is on my coffee table.

    4: Even if I bought something like an HP Touchsmart or other, their India based support is a pale shadow compared to Apple’s Genius Bar; additionally, unlike the others, Apple actually HAS a local presence that you can take the thing in and get fixed or swapped instead of shipping it off somewhere.

    5: Owning a Mac means I can run OS X *AND* Windows. Owning a PC means you can’t legally run OS X if you needed to. We sell products to Mac and Windows users alike, so I need to be able to demo to one or the other when and if needed.

    6: I see people talking about paid upgrades. Snow Leopard upgrade is $40. Compared to Windows 7 Home Premium to Professional at around $150 to add functionality that is actually there in the OS just disabled.

    7: I see people talking about boot speeds. As noted, Windows 7 on a MacBook Pro will boot faster than Windows 7 on a PC of comparable spec. The actual BIOS is part of that, true, but the reality is that the hardware selected is well married compared to most PCs out there, all the way down to GPU used, which though integrated, is a better quality GPU than what PCs throw in there.

    8: MacBooks in particular have a good balance of computing power and battery life, even before Sandy Bridge came along. You can get 12-hour PCs, but they’re rocking piss-on Atom chips and low specs. Even if/when the PCs catch up on the Sandy Bridge chips, they will not be able to match the battery life of the MacBook under the same conditions. Even if they do, their cost point will be comparable to the MacBook Pro. Look at HP and the Envy; they learned that the hard way.

    9: The only Mac that is truly outdone on the PC side is the Mac Pro. It’s severely overpriced compared to a tower that one could build themselves for a fraction of the price and double the power. But nobody buys that machine.

    10: Networking and sharing is TREMENDOUSLY easier on the Mac. Windows 7 has simplified the process somewhat over the older NTFS, but it’s still clunky. On the Mac I can create a share by checking a box, then adding users and their permissions, all on one window. On the PC it takes 5 separate windows being opened to get it done.

    11: Mac natively supports the ability to save anything as a PDF document; Windows does not.

    12: The MacBook Pro trackpad and the Magic Trackpad are some of the best navigational tools made compared to PC trackpads.

    13: A 17″ MacBook Pro will often weigh 2-3 pounds less than a 17″ PC, but at double the power and often triple the battery life.

    14: OS X does not treat you like a criminal, “deactivating” itself when it detects that you added a stick of RAM, like Windows wants to do.

    15: We have users at the office who get repeatedly – I mean REPEATEDLY – infected with viruses. We have multiple layers of protection, spyware detectors, virus detectors, all defeated. One user even managed to get so badly infected that her machine had to be reimaged because even though Security Essentials detected and cleaned it, it would keep coming back. Macs being less vulnerable makes them more desirable.

    This isn’t a case of Mac vs. Windows. There are things I require Windows to get done; the software we sell is natively Windows. SQL Server is native Windows. Sharepoint is native Windows. Most larger enterprises are running Windows. But the reality is that the price you pay for a Mac does go beyond the logo. Those that don’t care about any of what I stated, can stick with PC. But it doesn’t negate the reality that Macs are gaining ground for all of these reasons.

  47. M & M

    I believe everyone has a valid point and with that said at the end of the day it is a user preference on which device you chose.
    If you want to spend roughly $800 dollars for the MAC OS go right ahead. When Apple went Intel, the hardware became equals between MAC and PC. I believe Apple knows this and is one of the reasons why they will not sale their OS legally by itself. They want everyone to keep coming back and paying a high dollar amount for a UNIX based OS and their hardware packages. This line of thinking is all a part of their marketing scheme. You can do much better and cheaper on your own. You just need to do the research.
    But let’s look at the underlining thing that is the real reason why MAC does so well. What makes the MAC stable? In all cases in my career, it has been the underlining UNIX code and preventing the user from changing the underlining code. Most devices fail, get viruses, or provide a screen of death due to the short between the key board and the floor. NO OS is without issues.
    If you want to say MAC doesn’t get viruses, try to use Google search for yourself and rethink that statement. If you think it doesn’t have a screen of death, learn what the Grey Screen of Death is.
    If you want a MAC like system and you want stability, try a Linux platform and think on your own outside the box. Don’t do what the next person is doing just because they too drank the Kool-Aid. Is not Linux based off of Minux which is much a variant of UNIX as a MAC. Plus those of you in IT should bring up all these points especially in a business environment and let your ROI decided the point after you’ve done your own research and not just drink the Kool-Aid.
    So again at the end of day it is really a user preference and not about what OS does what, but how much you are willing to research before moving forward with your selection.

  48. CK

    These articles are just a host for fanboy flame wars. In the end, they often do more harm than good, because most people will not change their minds based on evidence & statistics, but rather their experiences, & also experiences of people they trust.

    With this in mind, I try to bring something to these conversations, because I use both Mac & PC, and I’ve witnessed my own assumptions & errors over the years.

    -I used to think I didn’t like Macs, but after working with them, I realized I didn’t like the narrow viewpoint I was running into from Mac users. After working on Macs for a while, I started to see how PC users did the same thing. The problems occurred when a user is too tightly focused on their experiences, and begin to think that everyone has the exact same experiences, and sometimes even the same mode of thinking. Just because you’ve had
    a positive or negative experience in any platform doesn’t mean everyone who uses it will have the same experience.

    -Cost Vs.Value is a personal judgment, so I can’t understand how people get so Dogmatic over it. Let’s state the obvious, you won’t know the value until you’ve used it for a while anyways. And there is lots that you can’t necessarily predict. So I think the best thing one can do is to make a short list ones priorities, and try to make your decisions based on them. I proper understanding of one’s needs helps on so many different levels.

    -I’m willing to bet that 90% of the Mac comments from PC users are assumption, and they have never used a Mac, let alone in any serious fashion. PC Users seem to feel the need to ‘bring Mac User down a peg’, and I dislike this self-assumed mandate. Sure, some people have told me, ‘well if Mac Users weren’t so arrogant’, but I feel you are just as arrogant to think it’s your place to bring someone else down. Separating fact from assumption takes real effort & time, even for great minds like Socrates & Einstein, while bullshit is easy to fling around.

    -Some people like powerful options, other people like sleek minimal design. The list goes on & on, and this is personal preference, not some sort of fact. So all sides need to stop arguing that their view is the only right view. This doesn’t just apply to computers, there are a variety of subjects where there is no single right view/answer. If you remind yourself that because of personal preference & needs, many right views/answers exist, & quantified their arguments with ‘this is best/worst for me’, I think people might get into more constructive discourse.

    -The best analogy I’ve heard about viruses is that Windows is the equivalent of living in a bad neighborhood in a house with bars & heavy locks, while Mac is like living in the country where you can leave your doors unlocked. In either case, if you get robbed, does it make sense to blame the person who built the house, windows & doors? Or does it make sense to blame the person who actually stole from you? I don’t understand why the criminals who profit from viruses & trojans are rarely criticized the way Steve Jobs and Bill Gates are.

  49. bo

    I have 5 pcs and 1 MAC pro. The downtime plus upgrades on pc brings the price up more towards MAC. Plus yearly viruses stuff. For those who say you can build and know how to prevent virus…good for you but you are not average user. My MAC pro still runs the same 5 yrs later. If you don’t have both then your opinion means nothing to me. I had 3.0 98 xp Vista and now the great win 7. I still love using my MAC. My parents both have Windows and they wished they had my MAC.

    First day I got Windows 7, even tho I think its good, the Windows Hung and I and froze. Plus it takes a day to close down and start up. I’ll always defend MAC it gave me great yrs. No more ling nights of blue screen of death delete and reinstall staring at frozen screens waiting yrs for app to respond. Flame away dorks.

  50. CK

    @Bo
    How are you calculating a price for ‘downtime + upgrade’?
    Can you give some concrete examples that aren’t exaggerated?

  51. CK

    @ReVeLaTeD

    You make some really good points, but some exaggeration too.

    1: Absolutely true, support costs are often never considered in a purchase. I think you are off base though, ‘common consumers’ self-support every single day of the year thru the services of Google, etc.

    2: Totally agree- though upgrading & replacing parts is of mention too.

    3: iMac 27″ are wonderful. An HTPC/micro ATX style case mounted on the back of a 27″ monitor is the compact PC solution, if you weren’t aware.

    4: A serious consideration. Some people want to walk into a place, talk to a real person, & get the problem handled. Though let’s be honest, visiting a Genius in person does not guarantee good service, nor that it will be free. Seth Godin, a well known Apple advocate, & someone I respect, just recently shared this blog: http://sethgodin.typepad.com/seths_blog/2011/03/cascade-of-broken-promises.html
    But a good point non the less. Bear in mind, there are lots of IT shops, like mine, in places where Apple Stores do not exist which will look at a problem for free, and give you an estimate. But it feels good when the company you bought from takes responsiblity themselves.

    5: Completely valid point in a real world scenario, though this is really an Apple Licensing restriction, not an OS feature.

    6: Just like I talked about, Cost Vs. Value.

    8: Yes, Macbooks have excellent battery optimization.

    9: Too much over-generalization & assumption in your statement to really apply it, specifically ‘outdone’ & ‘no one buys it’.

    10: In case you missed Windows 7 Simple Sharing:
    right click drive or folder
    select share with->specific people from context menu
    add any users/groups & assign their read/write permissions all in a single window

    11: Native PDF support is nice to have. Easy to argue you’ve paid for a feature you can select a la carte with 3rd party software on windows. Several free options non the less too. But lots of little nice touches on Mac can add up to a more satisfied feeling for some people.

    12: Yes, very cool features on trackpads.

    13: A little over-general again, but not completely off base. Have to talk specific models.

    14: I’ll be honest, never heard of RAM causing re-authorization, but have seen it with HardDrive or Mobo. ‘Feeling like a criminal’, seems a little dramatic for a process that generally takes under a minute, but then again who am I to say how you should feel. Very minor annoyance in my book, but many people have switched to Mac OS because of too many minor annoyances.

    15: Viruses are a serious reason to consider Mac OS. Ironically, the more I suggest people to switch to Mac for reasons that align with the users priorities most, the more likely it is Mac security could degrade because of larger market share. Like death by a thousand papercuts. None the less, a very serious advantage to Mac OS for many years to come I would suspect.

  52. Wayne

    Comparing Apples to Linux to Windows is like comparing BMW to Toyota to Ford…

    Apple’s computers don’t necessarily have better components but Apple charges a premium because they don’t want to compete on the bargain end. BMW doesn’t necessarily have better components to Toyota or Ford but don’t want to compete at the lower purchasing spectrum. Apple’s are considered luxury devices. You either decide you can afford it or you purchase something else. Only a geek is going to worry about specs on every circuit and card plugged into the motherboard. Most people can’t care less if it does what they want. Any computer on the market today can do 99% of what people want to do whether it costs $300 or $3000 dollars.

    Those who care about image and luxury will purchase the Apple’s, Sony’s and high-end HPs and Dells. Those who care about budget will get whatever is on sale when they purchase. Those who care about specs will build their own.

  53. Hank

    I am an IT engineer for a company that has a very large number of both Windows machines and Macs. For Macs, we have fully loaded G5′s, Macbooks, XServes, and XSans using XServe RAID boxes. To say that Apple products don’t fail is ludicrous. We have 3 Xserve RAID boxes just for hotswap because they do fail. Our IBM SAN boxes haven’t failed yet, and they have been running non-stop for 5 years longer than the Xserve RAID boxes. It doesn’t really matter much now though; Apple is getting out of the business sector.

    And who thinks that there no are viruses for Macs? Ever heard of Mal/ASFDldr-A, Troj/Javadl-V, or Troj/KeygenD-P? Those are only a few of the many Mac-only viruses running in the wild. And they are very current. There are more and more viruses showing up for Macs, and it will only get worse with Apple’s increasing popularity. To deny that is inviting disaster. Do you have Java enabled in your browser? If so, you’re at risk. Actually, Apple viruses have been around longer than PC viruses. The first Apple virus released in the wild happened in1982; the first PC virus released in the wild was in 1986.

    A Mac being only $200.00 than a PC? Thanks for the laugh, I needed that.

    I see people talking about boot speeds. As noted, Windows 7 on a MacBook Pro will boot faster than Windows 7 on a PC of comparable spec.

    Our MacBooks boot faster than our Windows 7 laptops until we remove all of the laptop manufacturer’s bloatware (manufacturers, not Microsoft). Now half of the Windows 7 laptops boot much faster than the MacBooks, depending on the laptop specs.

    Networking and sharing is TREMENDOUSLY easier on the Mac. Windows 7 has simplified the process somewhat over the older NTFS, but it’s still clunky. On the Mac I can create a share by checking a box, then adding users and their permissions, all on one window. On the PC it takes 5 separate windows being opened to get it done.

    Macs are much easier to network on an Apple network, but that’s it. Connecting Macs to non-Apple networks is inconsistent; maybe it’ll work and maybe it won’t. And if you require 5 open windows to create a Microsoft share, you’re doing it wrong.

    Apple doesn’t make their own hardware. They do, however, have a closed architecture making it easier to design software that only has to run on a few platforms. I’ll definitely give them that.

    The MacBook Pro trackpad and the Magic Trackpad are some of the best navigational tools made compared to PC trackpads.

    That’s an opinion, not fact. I personally don’t like trackpads at all, but I prefer the one on my Toshiba far better than the one on the MacBook or my Gateway.

    I see people talking about paid upgrades. Snow Leopard upgrade is $40. Compared to Windows 7 Home Premium to Professional at around $150 to add functionality that is actually there in the OS just disabled?

    OK, but one of our Mac Pro G5 workstations are $3500, the equivalent Microsoft workstation is $1600. How many upgrades is it going to take to break even?

    MacBooks in particular have a good balance of computing power and battery life, even before Sandy Bridge came along. You can get 12-hour PCs, but they’re rocking piss-on Atom chips and low specs. Even if/when the PCs catch up on the Sandy Bridge chips, they will not be able to match the battery life of the MacBook under the same conditions. Even if they do, their cost point will be comparable to the MacBook Pro.

    My Toshiba A505 laptop has an Intel Core 2 Duo chip, 4 GB of RAM, 500 hybrid HD, and a 16″ widescreen display, and I get 7.5 hours of battery time. I only paid $699.00 new. Doesn’t the equivalent MacBook Pro with a 15″ screen cost close to $2000.00?

    OS X does not treat you like a criminal, “deactivating” itself when it detects that you added a stick of RAM, like Windows wants to do.

    I just added 4 GB of RAM to a Dell workstation running Windows 7 Pro last month and I wasn’t deactivated or treated like a criminal, AutoCAD just ran faster on complex rendering.

    A 17″ MacBook Pro will often weigh 2-3 pounds less than a 17″ PC, but at double the power and often triple the battery life.

    My 16″ Toshiba A505 is 7.3 lbs compared to the 6.6 lbs of the 17″ MacBook Pro, but double the power? I use a 15″ MacBook Pro at work, and it’s nowhere close to twice as powerful. And triple the battery life? That would mean the battery life of my MacBook Pro would be around 22.5 hours. It’s actually about the same battery life, so no advantage.

    I’m not an Apple hater or a Microsoft hater. I have had Apple’s since my Apple 2E and up to my PowerMac G4, and I use a G5 and MacBook at work in addition to a Dell Windows 7 machine. I’m actually I am a Linux fan. But facts are facts, and it gets old listening to the Apple fan-boys spew opinion as fact. Does Microsoft have problems with Viruses? Yes. Does Apple have problems with Viruses? Yes. Does Microsoft crash? Yes. Does Macintosh crash? not as much, but yes. Does Apple hardware fail? yes. Is Apple hardware expensive to fix? Very expensive compared to PC repair.

  54. VW

    Ok every one lets just say Mac has it’s benefits and so does Windows and so does Linux. But all of these systems have the same hardware. I could make my Gateway NV53 in to a Hackintosh illegal but doable and I can install Linux as well.

    Simple enough, right no every one makes every thing so complex and every one toots the “Mine is better” horn if you know how to maintain your computer it will last you nearly forever like my Old Dell Inspiron 600m I hated that thing with a passion at the end but it kept chugging along loyally until a couple of months ago when the RAM failed. I only once had a virus on the thing and thats because I told a friend of mine to install an Anti-virus, Avast Home 4.8 at the time, before he started to surf the web, after I restored the computer using the factory image. Long story short he got distracted.

    And Mac isn’t impenetrable either in fact it would be wise if you do get an anti-virus, look around the Apple store they have some good ones for free, right now after reading this you may not need it now but with the Mac market share rising you are going to need it just like windows. Now hardware on a Mac is no different than on a windows PC then why is it so expensive? Maybe it’s because they use extravagant materials Aluminium bodies and all glass screens, and then repairs I just can’t explain that it makes no sense to me why to replace a Video card made back in 2008 installed in a 2010 computer cost $800 when I can go and buy the same card from Tigerdirect for $50 and install it my self or I could upgrade to the latest in that family for $100 and just install a Kext.

    And that “revolutionary” graphics switching tech Apple has, not a new idea in fact the AMD Vision card in my NV53, and more than likely a lot of computers, is a very similar design to switch between it’s own dedicated memory (256MB) and system memory (Up to 1919MB) so lets make a game out of this if you are a Mac Fan every time Apple comes out with the word “revolutionary” you take a shot. Pretty soon you are going to pass out.

    And MS Fans I have nothing to say to you, you do it to your selves, and Linux Fans, Your on the right track but unless the community can come together under one project, you remain just the hobbyist computer users with some really good and useful products across all platforms.

    Like the quote goes “There are two major products that came out of Berkeley: LSD and UNIX. We don’t believe this to be a coincidence.” I forget who said it.

    There I stated my opinion on all this fighting over Operating systems.

  55. RandomRage

    That’s kind of weird, I actually touched on this last week on my site. http://randomrage.net/2011/03/02/the-lions-share-of-apples-problems/ I think Apple isn’t really thinking about how much of a core audience creatives are for it, and they’re risking losing them with the ‘walled-garden’ approach they’re pushing on their Macs.

  56. Murray B from Canada

    Apple has always known how to overhype their products. Their first computer the Apple II came out in ’77 (the Apple I was just a motherboard). It came out about the same time as the TRS-80 MCS and Commodore P.E.T. Several CP/M systems had already been on the market for a year or two.

    In 1978 Apple claimed that they sold more machines than all their competitors combined. This was amazing since they sold about 7000 machines out of a total of 200,000 micros sold that year. There was one company that did sell over 100,000 machines and it was Radio Shack. Commodore sold about 14,000 machines and most of the rest were one of the many CP/M compatibles.

    What shocked me at the time was that a company that had three-and-a-half percent market share would make the ridiculous claim of having more than 50 percent.

    Anyone that had the faintest clue about computers knew they had been lied to continously and refused to buy the grossly overpriced products. Technical types knew the facts but that still left many non-technical types like artists.

    Today, their claims of superiority are actually funny because Apple quit making hardware years ago. All of their stuff now comes out of the same Asian factories as all the rest.

    P.S. Isn’t LG’s new display with retina resolution great?

  57. Another CK

    CK, you made the most balanced comments and I agree with you entirely. Recently, affordability meant I couldn’t consider the Appple Mac or the most powerful PC, so I settled for a pretty good branded PC which came with Windows 7. At least I can upgrade components myself when they need upgrading, eg a hard disk with more space.
    A good or bad experience can easily determine one’s opinion for ever. My only experience with Apple product and software is iPod, Quicktime and iTunes 10… as my 3 sons have an iPod each. Prior to that they had other makes of mp3 players. I wished they had kept to those. A big pain in the ass to have to use iTunes. iTune users will know all about the lost links and synchronisation time-wasting. I simply want to open Windows Explorer, click the device to see the list of music/media files, delete or add to it from wherever I store the music/media master files. What is so difficult about that? One does that with flash drives, external hard disks, etc all the time. It shouldn’t matter how often or how I have arranged them in my master folder. Sure, I could waste time searching the Internet for free applications and testing them to see which is the most suitable, upseting the software in the ipod and maybe voiding the warranty. It frustrates me no end to use something that is INTENTIONALLY restrictive, complex and time wasting when the opposite should be the case. Windows 7 is not perfect either. It has quite a few stupid ways of doing things too. Some of my previous applications won’t install, making the devices un-useable, although this is the manufacturers’ fault. Will I get an iPod for myself? No way. Will I pay for an Apple Mac to see if the OS is better than Win 7? Yes, if I can afford to. I always start off being unbias until I have experiences (good or bad) to draw upon.

  58. SteveF

    Another unfair sales advantage that Apple cultivated was with the High School and pre-college crowd. Someone mentioned how Apple gave computers to colleges — Well, they gave many, many computers to high schools where students got their first experience with “personal computers”. As the “I need a computer to do my homework” demand grew, parents felt almost forced to buy some sort of computer for the kids. So how did they determine what to buy??? They asked the kids – the same kids who were taught, in high school, “all about computers” on an Apple platform. Same deal with kids going off to college – if they buy a computer for themselves it would be one from the line of products they “grew up on”. Hence, the perceived popularity of the Apple Operating System(s), their GUI, keyboard and mouse all relates back to the preferences these kids learned many years ago and which they share with their grandchildren.

    And there’s a little bit of human nature at play here as well… Have you ever noticed how a person buys a new car and in spite of the fact that the wheels fell off – twice – they still insist upon telling everyone they know about how great this car is – and – that they all need to go out and buy one right now. Humans do that kind of thing in order to validate their (poor) choices – in cars, this time – and to reduce some of their “buyer’s remorse”. In other words, humans don’t want to perceive that they made a poor choice and by getting others to make the same choice, they get to feel better when the wheels fall off the third time. So whether the wheels fall off of a person’s Apple or not, they are going to try to sell the “Apple Idea” to everyone else based upon the first experience and subsequent purchases.

  59. Randy

    I’m just happy that some people here realize that computers are computers. Buy what you like and can afford. Most of the time, you’ll be able to get your work done no matter what that work entails.

  60. tommy2rs

    The wife (a professional graphic artist) uses both Mac and Windows. She started out when cut and paste meant scissors and glue, went on to learn Photoshop when it was Apple only and now uses both systems. Often she doubles as the Mac guru as the IT department only does Windows. (Have you tried turning it off and on?) What does she use at home? A custom built Windows machine.

    As for me, Windows, Mac, Linux, doesn’t matter. I use and support them all. They all have their problems. They all have their strengths. Why limit yourself to only one?

    If Apple and the Mac were perfect would there be a need for the genius bar and the nice warranty? Remember what Daddy always said ” An ounce of pretension is worth a pound of manure”.

  61. Rick

    Great article, and the responses bear out the cult behavior of Apple-Dotes. I have both, an iMac and a PC running Windows 7. The internals of both come from the same place … China. The SATA hard drive in my PC is the same exact hard drive in my iMac. Both machines have intel CPU’s. The iMac has just as many crashes as my PC, though the PC is far more susceptible to malicious attacks, because that’s what black-hat hackers do. They go after the most effective target. Eighty percent of the computers in use in the world today are Windows based PC’s. So, in that respect, the iMac has it over the PC. The GUI’s are similar, because that’s what the market wants, not Apple or Microsoft. My iMac is faster, only because it has two CPU’s instead of one. The iMac with all it’s bells and whistles cost about $1800.00 US, whereas my PC is an HP refurb unit that cost me $399.00 US. Both have the same amount and type of high speed RAM. On my PC, I create software for my own needs, or find open source applications. With my iMac, I find what I can, but outside of Photoshop, I don’t use the iMac for much of anything, maybe some web surfing.

    To say one of my computers is better than the other is like comparing dogs and cats. I don’t hate Apple or Microsoft. I dislike Apple only because abandoned the average PC user when they dropped the Apple IIc and released the first of their iPod series. Was it brilliant marketing strategy on the part of Steve Jobs and Apple? Of course it was. But, for all intents and purposes, they stepped away from the PC market until they released their PC bashing commercials, which is odd, because an iMac is a PC. But they came full swing at Microsoft with the cutes and gained another three perscent of the world market share in personal computers. Apple is proprietory and they will hold onto their Apple-Dotes, because to an Apple-Dote, Steve Jobs can do no wrong. To be honest, Apple lovers really don’t want the Apple computer to become as popular as the iPod, or iPhone. They would no longer be elitists, special because of their unique PC … And they would no longer be safe from viruses, trojans, and malware. They really aren’t now, but most of them believe they are.

    Up until Windows XP, Apple did have the advantage in graphics because of their use of the Amiga graphics chip. But, the gap of quality is now narrowed considerably. I used Apple computers almost exclusively from 1984 to 1996, I switched wo Windows 95 and soon after Windows 98. Not because they were better computers, but because they fit my needs much better and were more adaptable. I got my iMac because I worked as an IT Consultant and had to be somewhat aware of the capabilities of an iMac in order to talk about it.

    Most customers, I recommended Windows PC’s to, because they were cost effective. But some customers were naturals for using Apple computers. As for the iPad? I already have an iPhone. One day, Apple will open up to outside vendors and programming. Until then, Apple users will be able to remain in their cocoons and stay moderately safe from black-hat hacker charms.

  62. drbmac

    The whole world has gone virtual. Not in a “Apple” world. If you go with Apple, then you have to go whole hog and live with the limitations that Jobs’s sets forth and live with those choices forever, there is no coversion back or cross over. Most of the “Apple” technology now is all hype, and I won’t buy into it. Sorry Apple lovers.

  63. Chris

    Macs are for torrenting, mabe keeping some music, when I applied to go to the Art Institute my admitions rep told me I needed a PC and that Mac wont suport any of the programs I need to use. So I guess macs are really not good for much past checking your email or listening to music.

  64. carryit

    my son the doctor is a mac fanboy… i cant discuss computers with him because of the emotion he brings to his religion… never the less… he knows very little about computing.. so macs are great for him… steve jobs the apple messiah pontificates to his followers the best way to compute and they fall in line… i have been doing computing since the 70′s i cut my teeth on fortran and cobal… and i bet that cpm would be the wonder os of personal computing, so i can be wrong…

    i built my last computer in 2008 its anti-freeze cooled with chip and hard drive water jackets, i installed 2 of nvidias fanciest graphics cards and connected them with sli… my chip is a 4 core 3.2 intel, and i forget how big my mother board pipe is but its big… i installed the hated vista 64 ultimate and i shut down most of the ultimate stuff,,, and i have no problem with it on my server 2003 network running exchange and iis…

    i am a program HOG,,, i run more processes and tsr’s along with 2 blu ray burners than most would dream of, i do video rendering and conversions, i buy software that hammers my cores and i get fast output… my son says “if you owned a mac you could multi-task better” he doesnt have a clue…. i try to explain that i CHOOSE to use all 4 cores at 100% for my conversions… there is nothing like a closed mind to end the conversation…

    he talked me into the iphone and so far i really like it… of course i have to get steve jobs approval for anything i want to do but thats ok because i dont really want to play with my phone so letting apple do my thinking for me is alright in that venue.

    then i read all the apple fanboys talking about macs keeping everything streamlined and on the cloud.. the cloud is ok but with terrabytes of multi-media the cloud is very limited to cell phone synchs.

    in 2009 i bought my wife an hp computer built in to the moniter with a touch screen that had a built in tv tuner, blu ray burner, gigabit nic card, 4 core 2.8(?) a half a terrabyte and blu tooth keyboard and mouse, she can watch tv, bluray movies and read her email all at once… i asked my son if i could do that with an imac… ‘well of course’ but i have to add peripheral boxes and external optical drives blah blah blah so much for stream lined…. and then he lectures me that sattelite tv and cable is dead anyway and old school and that webtv is where its at so in macfantasyworld the universe adjusts itself to fit the mac concept and thereby fulfilling its self fullfilling prophecy…. but until we have mac heaven on earth i will be forced to buy and build pc’s to get what i want out of a computer…

    ipad ipad ipad… its the best tablet toy out there… but until it becomes a macair in tablet shape its of no use to me… even my fanboy son admits that…. when i show him a real workhorse tablet on amazon he says ‘why isnt this better known?’ well son when you live in a box with a partially eaten apple printed on it you either might miss something or there is a half eaten worm still left in the apple…

    my next tablet is an ASUS Eee Slate EP121-1A010M 12.1-Inch Tablet PC… its not perfect but if i can find one i’ll grab it they are so popular that they cant keep them in stock,,,, this is what a 1st gen. tablet should be and will get better and will only get better and more robust as people want to actually compute with a real tablet not a fancy phone that wont work as a phone.

  65. Khai

    well. speaking as someone who does work with graphics everyday…

    what computer you use is a pointless argument. it really does not matter, nor the program.

    the important part is the USER.

    if the user has no talent, it does not matter if it’s a mac, PC, oil paint and a brush. you won’t get a good result.

  66. John

    aaarrrrggg I really don’t get why people tend to think apples are virus free rather than realizing that it is a simple numbers game .. there were fewere apples out there and many more windows boxes therefore those wishing to cause the most amount of frustration with the least amount of effort would target where the greater impact would be.

    Now that Apples are more prevelant it they will become more of a target.

  67. xana452

    If the music and photos are the ONLY thing you do, then yes, mac is for you. In my past experience with Macs, I could not do anything with it except for if I occasionally needed to go to the internet or edit a picture in photoshop. And that crashed alot, so bad at time that not even hitting the power button could fix it.

    I had my previous computer for 11 years, and it only occasionaly crashed because of the lack of RAM and cruddy processor. I had 70 gb of HDD, and decided to upgrade to a Nvidia GPU. (Ran great after that.) The only reason I got rid of it was because the fans on the processor and PSU failed abruptly. The thing ran lightning fast, I could play any game I wanted, and I barely ever got any viruses with it, after I educated myself with the different programs. I had lots of music, videos, and well over 10 gb of pictures on it. For the media viewing I just used WMP11 and iTunes for my iPod. (I sound like a hypocrite now, Lol.) I could also do a stress test of everything I had on that machine at the same time, and it still ran exactly the same. (Windows xp pro, ftw.) I have never seen any apple machine in my life do any of that on a machine that old. Oh, and what did I pay for the pc I’m using now? $600. And for the mac equivalent, thats about $2700.

  68. mikini

    I worked with mac.
    I hate mac! and all stupid i-Deveices

    Software is designed for child!, no options, no impoovments, low hardware for a lot of money!

    Hate apple all the life!

  69. GT4ME

    I hate mac with a passion!!!
    I think all there products are overated and very expensive for what you get.
    There software is absolutely usless and not user friendly.

    “I to hate apple PERIOD”

  70. Gavdalf

    Always with the negative vibes! Spread the love….

    Hardware well built;
    Software well designed;
    Relative costs too high;
    Mouse button count too low.

    All said and done its a tool, use it if you want to… no hate, no negative vibes.
    Gavdalf

  71. xs

    People who hate Mac tend to be those who wants to talk specs. People who love Mac tend to be those who just want to use their machines.

  72. mookiemu

    I’m a creative person, who makes a living as a digital and traditional artist. I’m also a computer nut and OS junky! I have 2 macs, 2 windows machines, a freebsd machine, and 4 linux machines.
    The creative people who do 2d illustration, illustration, page layout and print graphics, and some web design use macs and they compromise the majority in those fields. On the other hand those who need real power on a professional level, like 3d graphics, autocad, and architectural visualisation use Windows and in many cases Linux.

    Large image creators like those who do matte paintings and giant posters, use Windows. This is mostly because until CS5, photoshop wasn’t 64-bit on the mac until recently. On the other hand, it’s been 64-bit since CS4 on windows, when you are working, as I do, on files that are sometimes 3 or 4 gigabytes, 32-photoshop is useless with it’s 3 gig ram limit. Things are changing on that front now that the mac is a viable 64-bit OS and most mac software has caught up to 64-bit computing.

    90% of the computers at Weta, the company responsible for Lord of the Rings Trilogy, and Avatar, run Linux. The remaining 10% use mostly Windows for Zbrush and photoshop, with some of the designers and storyboard artists using macs. Dreamworks is also almost entirely running on Linux and has hundreds of Linux desktops.

    Nearly all of the companies that do architectural visualisations use Windows on 3d Max which isn’t available for the mac. Nearly all of the design companies that use Cad software and solidworks, use Windows. Most render out their designs on Linux.

    One of my clients has a 10,000 dollar mac pro. My main workstation is a dual boot Windows 7/Ubuntu machine, that I built for $6000! Windows partition is for Photoshop, Painter, and Zbrush. Linux side is for Maya, Maxwell Render, and Octane Render. Dual quad-cores, dual raid0 SSD drives for OS and programs, 24 gig ram and dual quadro 3800 (quadros are from ebay). I work on gigantic images files without nearly a hiccup. When I open the working files on my client’s suped up mac pro, I get spinning balls everywhere. Those files are un-openable on my own mac.

    The perception that more content creation happens on a mac is purely a result of Apple’s remarkable advertising campaigns.

  73. arnold

    no matter what you say , pc or mac , its just a tool from me ,
    the real deal is in your ‘skills’ …how you use it..how good you are , etc.

    being in a creative field , I really dont believe in the Mac hype.
    in fact I can buy an awesome PC setup for the price of that Mac you have.

    and last why the hell everyone is complaing about viruses, trojans, damn , its easy nowadays to fix it, …you will have this problems , if you always watch porn, downloading files which you are not sure ,
    , its just a matter of how aware are you…

  74. Doc

    “OS X, an entirely new OS based on Unix and BSD” BSD is the Berkeley System Distribution of Unix – “Unix and BSD” is like saying “Linux and Ubuntu.”

  75. Not a Macolyte

    While I am in no way a Mac fanatic (Macolyte, around these parts) I am an artist. Generally I consider myself a Linux Enthusiast going back to Mandrake days, and have been thoroughly impressed by recent offerings from Windows.

    That said, as an artist, Mac is almost a business necessity. And not at all because they’re “better” for graphics because that’s a complete fallacy, rather it’s because like it or not (and I don’t always) they’re the industry standard. Everyone I work with, everyone I teach or take classes from, every printing company, every musician/filmdude/webby/etc have Mac and if I wanna keep getting paid to work with these people I have to join the herd.

    Argh, I feel like I ended up on the wrong side of that 1984 commercial.

  76. reichhart

    C’mon guys,

    most of you didn’t imbibe unix with mother’s milk but talk of “least successful” OS BSD.
    Most of you just knoe Windoze, Linux and *maybe* MacOS X.
    Don’t talk nonsense if you don’t know the difference between Streams and Semaphore or if you don’t know the disassemble command in MacsBug.

    Let me show just one *simple* cause of many causes why Apple products are still loved by many “creatives”:
    Colors.

    Yes, just colors, even if you remember an old Mac SE with b/w-screen. ;-)
    It’s true that in Xerox parc the idea of an graphical user interface and the mouse was born. But the first Mac GUI was many steps beyond that. And at these times, in the 80s, Apple developed the Human Interface Guidelines which was IMHO the first Document of its kind at all.
    Many simple things were developed, tested and written down in these Guidelines. One simple but today still valid suggestions for the usage of colors was this:
    For big painting areas just use “smooth” colors. Use bright colors only for small areas.
    Maybe some of you remember the first colored Apple icons showing a Mac (like SE) with only one bright red pixel for the hard disk LED and all other colors more smooth.
    It took DECADES (yes, decades and not just years) for Microsoft to create some nice Icons like described in Apples HIG. Microsoft started “design” with Vista. Icons! Just a collection of some colored pixels.

    What’s the status quo? Many OS producers have their own HIGs. And most HIGs include many comparable suggestions which Apple developed in the early 80s.

    Over decades many companies copied many (technical) innovations of Apple. But nearly noone thinks of HIGs and many stuff behind a new computer with the latest and fastest CPU and a shiny new OS. Apples credits for the evolution of PC hardware and software are a good deal more than commonly known or seen.

    reichhart

    PS: No, my 6-year-old Mac mini is just one computer I have and use. My mind is free, I also use many different archs like m68k, MIPS, Atmel, of course Intel/AMD and more – with very different OS. But none of them comes from Redmond. ;-)

  77. Wiredog

    I started on an Apple II+ and loved the openness, then a IIc, IIe, and IIgs. I even had some Apple stock back in the day. When Apple unceremoniously killed the III in favor of Mac, I left and went PC, where I could still customize and upgrade.

    Additionally, for a long time, most Macs could not share data with the PCs that most businesses I deal with were running.

    The newer Macs are not bad, but the price puts them into the range of “why?” I can get what I need at a much lower cost.

    Yes, I use iTunes and Quicktime, but only if something is only formatted for them. Otherwise I use Windows based software.

  78. Adey

    herr derr… ‘a mac is just a PC with BSD on it’ ‘I can build a computer for 1/3 of the price of a mac’…

    seriously? Go on then monkeyboys – build me a Macbook Air 11″ with better stability, app support and HCI at a third of the cost?

    I want exactly the same thickness or thinner, same speed or faster, same or more battery life… and I want it for a 1/3 of the cost. I want it to be nix based. No need for any command line ever. Single click install of apps. Runs Adobe CS5 and Microsoft Office 2011 – or something with a
    absolute 100% compatibility and the same or better functionality.

    So you have $500 budget. I’ll personally buy 10 off you.

  79. Adey

    Only poor peecee coupon mofos hate macs… because they think a notebook for $1500 is a lot of money… its nothing. I use a mac for 8-10 a day. over its lifetime its a bargain. switches on instantly, never falters, needs a disk repair once every couple of years… never any issues. you can keep your virus riddled microsoft crap and commandline linux rubbish.

    If linux was a good as OS X you morans would be creaming your pants

  80. gmo

    I remember losing a few design jobs because the clients believed there was no way I could design a usable logo for them unless I did it on a Mac, because I used Photoshop on my pc…

  81. Urichhai

    Hey Adey your stoopidity is showing! Mac OS is bult on the same kind of code that linux is. Unix=Linux. Gotta love people who talk without any knowledge. and use of gutter slang just shows your intelligence level.

  82. Jimbotron

    keith killer wrote— “…it was never mentioned apple was close to going bankrupt 10 or 15 years ago. microsoft had to give them a couple million to stay afloat so they can say they still have “competition” to the courts…”

    I believe it was 1999 at an annual Mac convention, probably in San Francisco. Stunned Mac-addicts witnessed Bill Gates calmly handing over a check for THREE HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS to help Apple get back on its feet and become more competitive, having lost much momentum to the PC world heading into that year (with the Win95 and 98 roll-outs already history, and imminent release of W2K). Bill Gates donated $300 Million. I donated my studio’s iMacs to my kids’ schools over the last 3 years because they did not serve me nearly as well as the PCs—for artistic, creative work, which relies much on Photoshop and numerous video production apps. Main reasons: initial cost, ability to cost-effectively upgrade, greater software pool, more adaptable, more rugged.

    My admonition to all: Don’t forget the $300 Million, given freely by Microsoft at a critical time in Apple’s history. And do not bite the hand that feeds you.

  83. Markietots

    Im a PC user since I was a kid and always wondered how a MAC user feel like. Finally, I had my own MAC. With my PC, I do pretty much everything I want. Flexibility is endless. And I dont have to buy a NEW machine every time I want to do an upgrade. With my MAC, it’s as is. The only thing I can work with are the limited software I can get. Sometimes, have to save up just to buy the software which only does on thing.

    To make the long story short. Due to flexibility that PC provides, imagination is endless. Hence, creativity is no limitation. With MAC, your imagination is bound by what your system build can give.

  84. will2b

    banana

  85. John

    Aesthetic design of a machine is important to some people. To most people it is not.

    I don’t know what this person above me is going on about, you can freely drop a new processor or ram, etc., into a mac, and I’ve never had a problem getting any software I needed, whether for programming, audio, or graphic design.

  86. linuxadore

    Nice and clean design. Overpriced, so good for elite. Better than earlier MS products (Windows7 looks pretty good). Other OSes copied some good-looking Macs features.

    Vote for freedom, open mind, knowledge for everybody, also stability, veriety, flexibility – so BSD, GNU/Linux (at 1st Slackware), unixoides generally!

  87. Hblady

    That certainly created a great debate. I have been a computer geek since their inception ( I’m in my 60′s). I have never had a Mac but since getting my iPhone and iPad I can’t wait to get my next computer which will deffinately be a Mac. The ease of use of my iPad and iPhone is unbelievably ………unbelievable. I love them. Thanks apple.

  88. carryit

    i’m in my 60′s as well and have been computing professionally and as a hobbyist since the 1970′s as i said in an earlier post i also own 2 eyephones one i use and one wifey uses… i find having to use many work arounds to get done what ‘eye’ want done on our phones to be a negative factor… but for those who only want to do exactly what the eyephones let you do they are easy to use and fairly intuitive. But the eyephones are technologically behind the times… old technology… and eyephone fanatics defending their purchase often point out past inovations of apple as a reason to buy apple products.. well that is not enough of a reason for me….

    there have been many inovative products that were soon outpaced by the competition and should not be a major factor in determining electronics purchases based on CURRENT technology. you may have a 7 year old mac that meets your needs but your needs must be ‘small’ try installing a couple of blu-ray reader writers on it for copying blu-rays and let me know how it works out for you… also let me know how long it takes you to convert a 4 gig mpeg 2 movie to mpeg 4 for your eyephone… or to rip the original vobs to mpeg 2….. i know people still using windows 98, as long as they dont try to do anything beyond what is on their machine currently it still works like the day it was built…. SO WHAT!!!

  89. Gnome

    Mac dominate the music industry. I use mac for Logic Pro. A program that is only made to run on a mac. I have tried to use other programs on my windows but they just do not seem to work as well. The way macs software chooses to time stretch audio samples beats any other industry standard PC audio software even pro tools.

    Also every time I have used a windows computer it has failed on me. I am no flid I know how to use a windows they just don’t seem to be as reliable. Macs are pumped with steroids while windows asks you, ‘are you sure you want to do this?’ ‘This may harm your computer’ ‘I am scared please don’t use me’. Apples answer is, force quit. It don’t get told what to do by programs it tells the programs what to do. Don’t you be failin on me fool or I will force quit your ass lol

  90. Gnome

    P.S. Do windows users use I phones? lol

  91. bobo

    This was a great write up.

  92. Oli the Opinionator

    Good article, however this is a frustrating issue. So many sound engineers swear by mac, even though the software is cross platfrom. In my opinion i am quite happy to spec my pc up to the cost of a mac and be left with a far superior machine. Especially as Windows 7 ultimate is fantastic. If your useless at computing, buy a mac so you can recieve your emails from your mum on your costly mobileme acount.

    Sent from my iPhone……..

  93. Zen Galacticore

    Who says Macs don’t crash? I’m currently at Georgia State Univ. completing my BFA, and the university uses Macs exclusively in the Art Department. The computer lab has 50 brand new Macs, three of them have crashed on me while using Photoshop, Final Cut Pro, and trying to transfer and convert digital video tape into a QuickTime movie.

    I made a movie of my computer artworks (painted in PhotoShop)and in Windows Movie Maker format, and put it on disc so my professor could view it at home. She said, “I don’t have a PC, I’m an artist; I have a Mac, and a Windows MM format movie will not play on a Mac.”

    Well, la-dee-frickin’-dah! I’m an artist as well, I told her, and I create beautiful paintings and graphic art on my Windows PC using Photoshop. And I don’t see any difference in the end products whether I use a Mac at school, or my PC at home. And to me at least, PC’s are easier to operate, so I don’t understand all the hoopla about how Macs and OSX are easier and/or better in any way. (I’m not necessarily saying that Macs and OSX aren’t better, I just don’t see it.)

    And when it comes to viruses, I haven’t had any problems since I purchased AVG 12.0, good for two years for about $70 bucks. Can someone tell me three real and true reasons why I should buy a Mac instead of a new 8 Gig Intel processor PC/Windows OS computer? (3 real reasons now, not just because Mac is chic, trendy, and pretty.) Apple does make really pretty monitors and All-In-Ones! I’ll give ‘em that!

    I’m in the market for a new comp, because I fried my Nvidia card, as well as the slot, because the heat-suction fan fell off of the dang card! So now I’m having to work with the vid card that came with my e-Machine T5048, and it sux.

    I’m willing to spend $800+ bucks on a better machine. If anybody has some PC recommendations, I’d appreciate some feedback. And anyone who insists I should by a Mac, I’d like to hear the valid reasons why. Thanks.

  94. Towers of Asia

    “Mac dominate the music industry. I use mac for Logic Pro. A program that is only made to run on a mac. I have tried to use other programs on my windows but they just do not seem to work as well. The way macs software chooses to time stretch audio samples beats any other industry standard PC audio software even pro tools.”

    You don’t know what you are talking about. I’m a musician and have been using PCs/Windows for over a decade with Cubase. Now use Cockos Reaper, which beats Logic Pro hands down (it’s also available for the Mac)…just do some research. Using a Mac makes absolutely no difference to your music…and Windows 7 is rock solid.

  95. bob

    I use to own a Dell Insperon, after about 6 months the computer would no longer run without being connected to a power source. After about 8 months the computer would not run at all. Since then I have always owned an Apple computer, there is no hesitation and it does exactly what I want it to do without any problems. All my Photoshop and Final Cut Pro work is done without any hesitation and stupid hour glass spinning waiting for something to load. For me it is not about being the center of attention or saying I have the money to buy this or that. This is purely off of something that is a great product.

  96. Mingy

    Do Windows users use iPhones?

    Yes! Out of all the phones out there, I think Apple has out done themselves in the hand held department. Remember how droid was supposed to be the iPhone killer and then all of a sudden Verizon got the iPhone and Droid dissapeared for a bit? I do.

    As for PC vs. Mac. Im a Pc guy mainly for two reasons, pricing and gaming. Like its been said pc is 1/3 the price of an Apple and It will have better specs. And a few manufacturers are making games for Apple but not the wide variety like for PC.

    This forum is very helpful since I will be (hopefully) getting a job as an IT and dealing with not just computer related issues but also sales. Apple is the big money product to sale, but with better knowledge (thanks to you guys) I can actually give knowledge assistance.

  97. vgamesx1

    @Mingy
    I don’t use an Iphone/Ipod… just saying.
    I would much perfer an Andriod, its cheaper, it works on mutilple devices, and its open source.
    so if I really wanted I could sit down and make my own apps or even maybe make a verison thats fully personal or make a version that runs on my laptop. (i dunno why but it’d be nice.)

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