Windows 8 Yes/No?(49 posts)
I WAS WRONG IN 2006. (LOL) (LOL).
MY RANT POST ABOUT VISTA CAN STILL BE FOUND ON THE NET. :) :)
October 6th 06, 10:22 AM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.security
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I know I will be "flamed" out of this Vista discussion group but I feel I
must add my comments.
RC1 sets up fine with a Clean Install on a fairly modern machine using up to
date ancillary software.
1. How many "Joe Six Pack" Windows single machine users actually want to
spend time "logging" into their personal machines ?
2. How many "average" Windows users have enough knowledge to actually "cut
off" and "cut on" the security features they really need ?
3. How many "average" Windows users have enough knowledge to even know what
the security setting's Terminology's mean ?
4. How many "average" Windows users, after purchasing their off the shelf
machine, have the time or want to read a 2000 page Tec Manual or go to MS
Tech Net just to be able to to use their new machine for its intended
5. How many "average" Windows users know what Permissions are, UAC is,
rundll does, WMI's function, what Active X controls are for, how the
Registry is built, what Protocols, Ports, Tokens and Objects are, etc.,
etc..... just to name a few of thousands of computer related knowledge base
Like me, most in this discussion group have been around since Dos 1.0, build
their own hardware and do some programming and experiment with different
Operating Systems if not just for the fun of it.
However, I would venture a guess that 95% of "average" Windows users have
real computer work to accomplish daily and other outside hobbies besides IT
experimentation and electronics plus really don't want to spent hours / days
trying to figure out and configure there machines.
On the other hand, most "average users don't won't to feel that they are are
being treated as children and are being protected and saved from their own
stupidy by a higher power either !
Vista seems to accomplish both goals.
In my opinion, it is a "darn" shame for a company like MS to develop a
common everyday product such as Vista that will take at least (8-12) hours
(just a guess) to configure right out of the box which will then be useful
for the "average" user in accomplishing what they purchased their computer
My last comment concerns WPA, WGA and who knows what's to come.
The "average" computer user knows nothing at all of what this is all about
so there was no huge public out cry just as there will be none when Vista is
released. Business monopolies can just about do as they please when there is
no competition to speak of.
And NO, Windows 98 was NOT the best version of Windows developed. Probably
Windows 2000-SP4 was / is the fastest O/S, took the least time to configure
with the least "fluff" and could be locked down tighter than a drum for net
I won't even speak about Office 12 with its "comic book" interface.
Rick, All my stuff is right out of the box, except for memory upgrades. Not retired yet but, you did tell me if I build you would help me. If we both hang on for another year and a half I will count on you brother.
Rick, going anyway I'll be 65 in a year and a half. I'll do the, do you want a hot apple pie with that thing if necessary. That's where I started a food place before Mickey D's.was even started. Can't pick up them 22 inch Escalade wheels up much longer. Too many friends are are gone, early 60's. One just this week. Two others earlier in the year.
I know personally of what you speak.
If it were not for the VA, I would have passed at 58.
I owe much gratitude to many and am very thankful for their civil service.
I think I am going to stick with Windows 7 and maybe Vista on my older computers. The reason I don't want to use Windows 8 is in fact because of the Metro Interface. I don't have any touch screen devices (except my Android phone) and having an OS optimized for touch screens won't be practical for my everyday use. I also do a lot of gaming and just plain messing around with things. Windows 8 doesn't seem like it would be very practical (for me at least) to use as a gaming OS and an OS to mess with settings and see how programs work on a DESKTOP not metro. It may just be that I'm not ready to leave my desktop (LOL). I might get a copy of Windows 8 to put on another machine just so I can help people if a problem arises but it won't be my everyday OS.
I have played around with ALL of the previews for Windows 8.
I have to go by the look of things since I remember things on visual memory mostly. I liked the look of Win98 so I got into it. Didn't like anything else that came along till Vista, which I love and have tweaked to perfection, so I'm in no hurry to change my main OS for anything.
Do have a laptop with win7 though and might put 8 on it to be able to answer questions, but I find it a strain to work on the laptop, so I rarely open it ;)
I love Win8 RP, and will consider buying the retail Win8 Pro, especially if downgrade rights are granted. If no downgrade rights are given to software purchasers (as opposed to new PC buyers) I will probably opt for Win7 Pro as I have no Win license on this machine. My reason is simple, I want to be able to re-upgrade myself if the future requires Metro, or if the Virtual Machine thing really takes hold. The option to downgrade, even if not exercised, is paramount.
Well, no matter what you all think, YOU may not matter!!!
Why, MS has to move forward. Since source code I think is the target they are shooting for, PC's, tablets, and phones. Big cost saving.
If you 'look' you'll see more systems in the big box stores with touch screens. 'Inexpensive' touch devices such as 'mouse tops' are going to appear.
XP held on for a LOOONNNNGGGG time, but eventually it can't be maintained, and you've got to leave. Developer's stop writing for it too.
The 'best' I think you can hope for is that 'your voice' is heard and MS 'tweaks' W8 to work 'better' on PC's, but I wouldn't expect too much.
I'm going to get the $15 new PC deal and put it on and try it. I've got Norton Ghost to go back so I'm not worried if I can't 'figure it out' within a week or so.
I see a lot of 'new' programs like THIS ON DOTTECH.ORG that say W8 only supported. I see a LOT of new 'tools' popping out with that 'flat' ugly single color Metro-style design. This could be a train coming down the tunnel at you.
From what I've heard/seen on the web, there is no way the MS tablets will be as cheap as anyone expects for it to compete with Apple's iPad's. However, the allure of using present PC programs can be appealing at a reasonable price.
How the Phone and Tablet are received will go a long way to deciding how MS feels about the PC and its users. I'd suspect a year from now everything will come with a touch screen. That will remove a lot of 'problems' for many. I think they call this 'progress'.
As i sit here reading this, eating my lunch of greasy French Fries and an equally greasy Rubin sandwich, I am wondering how that will get along with my future touch screen. My old friends the keyboard and mouse don't seem to care.
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