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whs
whs
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I don't want to start a political discussion, I just like a piece of information from my American friends.
Question: If a candidate wins a state and gets , let's say, 52% of the votes and his opponent gets 48%, Are then all votes for the electoral college given to the winner (winner takes all) or are they split according to the percentages.
I follow the dicussions about the elections closely but I am never certain on this point. Especially since I think during the primaries the votes were allocated according to the percentages - but I am not certain of that either.

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Scott
Scott
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Winner of the state gets all the delegates.

And the primaries vary by party and state, it's quite confusing.
Read about 'Super' delegates, then explain to me ;)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superdelegate

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whs
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Thanks Scott. Why do things have to be so confusing. I remember the chads and stuff. In my country they give you a piece of paper where you make an X, and that's it. I think that's more reliable. And the rules and procedures are the same in the whole country - not different by state.

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Scott
Scott
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Yes whs, there is a lot that's wrong with the electoral process in the US. The worst part is what happens after the elections though. We'd be better off streamlining and simplifying the elections, the tax code, etcetcetc, ad nausea.

But we are a nation of States, that's just the way it is. Whatever powers are not given to the Federales are decided by individual states.

Germany had the benefit(?) of rebuilding, we are the proverbial supertanker unable to move nimbly.

In other words we are Microsoft, bloated. But I wouldn't exactly call all of Europe Linux. :)

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Lighthouse
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If everyone was equal, then the majority would rule.

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Scott
Scott
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Well said.

My first visit to Europe, Copenhagen in the summer of '83, a taxi driver asked me "Oh you're from the States, do you think we're communists in Europe?". I said no, we think you're Socialists. I asked him how he liked Socialism and his reply was "Oh it's great, we can all be poor together".

For better or worse, this ship is turning left.

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whs
whs
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This really made me laugh - very good. By the way, we call it "social market economy". Was invented in the 50's by our then Minister of economy Ludwig Erhardt (later he was also Chancellor).It does one good thing, it eliminates the extremes on the top and on the bottom. But it also destroys a lot of wealth because every dollar that the goverment manages is only worth 50 cents.

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Scott
Scott
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And how does that compare to this decade with open borders? More in the middle or is it 'bottom' heavy?

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Lighthouse
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an' then you go and make it complicated!...........you must be politicians?

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whs
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It still works pretty well. But it obviously bloated the goverment agencies enormously. Just one of them: the employment (or as some people call it the unemployment) agency has so many people working for it, that if you closed it, unemployment in the country would double. What makes it even worse, that their response time to people's queries seems to be measured in months, not days.

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Scott
Scott
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Just wait 'til Deutsche Telecom outsources to the People's Republic of Burlington.

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Lighthouse
Lighthouse
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Livin' next door to Alice...:)

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raphoenix
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the mirror

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whs
whs
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Rick, you lost me with "mirror". You may not know, "Alice" is a European ISP - originally Italian, but now they are all over Europe growing very fast. I used them last year but had some issues and switched.

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raphoenix
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@whs,

My post addresses all the postings on this thread if you think about it in different ways. (lol) (lol) (lol)

Kindest Regards,
Rick P.♦ :)

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Scott
Scott
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ScottW
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Back to the original question, the same question recently came up at dinner and led us to Wikipedia looking for answers. Ironic that whs should ask this question since the origin of Electoral Colleges is traced back to Germanic tribes! So, there is a very old tradition brought to the US where it still stands primarily because of tradition.

Follow the link to "Electoral College (United States)" and you will learn a little more about how it's done here. We, the people, are actually voting for electors to choose the President and VP. Each state gets to choose how electors are, um, chosen. 48 states and D.C. use the winner take all method, but Maine and Nebraska have electors chosen on a district-by-district basis. Europe is filled with nations with longer histories and more tradition. Why is it that such a young country as the United States has such a complicated election system by comparison?

One other contributing factor, that you rarely hear about, is that the Founding Fathers of the US were founding the country when very few citizens were educated good. I mean, educated well. :-) They probably felt that these illiterate masses were not really qualified to elect a Pres directly, so they let them elect electors instead. Whether this concern is still true is a matter of some debate! :-P

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whs
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Interesting - I think your complicated system is a result of the wrong interpretation of "Freedom" and the inherent lack of any sort of planning and organization. I always admire you guys how you put up with all this mess - in all walks of life. As far as the idea of the founding fathers goes, I think that still applies today. When I see those crowds of claqueurs that are mobbing these halls where the parties have their circus events, I think the founding fathers would do the exact same thing today. There is only one little difference: At the time, the electors were elected directly and the people who elected them did usually know them. Today that is a more anonymous process (except maybe in Maine and Nebraska).
Thank you for the insights.

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Scott
Scott
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No whs, the US today is unlikely in any way, shape or form representative of what our 'Founding Fathers' imagined. It wasn't about Pomp and Circumstance and media spin at the conventions, it was about no taxation without representation and liberty for all.

"Admire us'? Come on, that's condescending. We're Americans (some of us here) and wouldn't change a whole helluva lot. We certainly wouldn't move to Germany, so props to you for putting up with us/US for 6 months a year.

Thank you for reminding us our interpretation of freedom is wrong and there's no planning or organization. Some parts may be broken but why are you the one that is always complaining?

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Scott
Scott
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You asked a legitimate procedural question and twisted history to support your opinion of how dysfunctional we are here. Believe me, we get it, you're not too fond of the American way of life. Why does it have to come up so often?

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