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fredfig
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I am building a new desktop PC (it has been almost 5 years)

Purpose/usage: database development/testing; internet; general business use; some video/image editing; some gaming

The only components I can salvage from my current PC are the monitor (LG Flatron E2241), keyboard, mouse, speakers, case, psu (maybe) and dvd r/w. If you have any suggestions (especially if it will save $$ or if for a few $$ more I would get a good upgrade) or if you see any incompatibilities please tell me. Also I need a suggestion for a graphics card (I don’t need gaming quality, necessarily; < $200 if possible) - the one I selected was not selected with a lot of thought or reason. I appreciate any direction you can give me. Also I am not locked into Newegg, if you have other sources that would be competitively priced.

NEW COMPONENTS:
mobo: http://www.newegg.com/Product/.....6813131820
cpu: http://www.newegg.com/Product/.....6819116502
graphics card: http://www.newegg.com/Product/.....6814150605
mem:http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148561
hd:http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136941
os:http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116992

'RECYCLED' FROM CURRENT DESKTOP:
CASE: Antec Performance One P180B Black 0.8mm cold rolled steel for durability through the majority of chassis 1.0mm cold rolled steel around the 4 x HDD area ATX Mid Tower Computer Case

DVD: 1 x ASUS 20X DVD±R DVD Burner with LightScribe Black SATA Model DRW-2014L1T LightScribe Support

PSU: Antec True Power Trio TP3-650 650W ATX12V SLI Certified CrossFire Ready Active PFC Power Supply with Three 12V Rails

Notes/questions:
(1) The mobo selected has wifi built-in/card; if another board is suggested I would need to buy a card
(2) What are your thoughts/suggestions on installing a SSD for OS; traditional HDD for programs/data?
(3) Any reason to look at LGA 2011? Is it overkill?

Thank you very much for your help!

Posted 1 year ago
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raphoenix
raphoenix
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fredfig,

Welcome to HTG.

Any particular reason for choosing a MB with with PCI Slots on it ??

See Comparison

http://www.newegg.com/Product/.....2D818%2DTS

Rick P.

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LadyFitzgerald
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I suspect price is a huge factor (keep in minds times are tough right now). That is cheapest board I've seen that has UEFI, PCI-E 3.0 (despite the legacy PCI slots), USB 3.0 onboard, WiFi Go (advanced form of WiFi that permits easy remote desktop control), 4 SATA 2.0 and 4 SATA 3.0, etc. I've been looking at the Deluxe (which you listed) and the Premium. The Premium has 4 PCI-E 16 slots that don't revert to 8 lanes when paired up, onboard Bluetooth, 3 SATA 2.0 and 6 SATA 3.0, onboard Thunderbolt (like I'll ever use that), etc. The extra 200 shekels for the Premium is still going to be hard to justify (it would take a lot mustard sandwiches for a long time to pay for that).

The WiFi Go on that Asus board is more than just Wifi and will be hard relplicate on another board. It's one of the reasons I'm interested in that series. The remote desktop function alone justifies the extra expense for me.

An SSD for the boot drive is an excellent idea, especially if you can spring for one that is SATA 3.0 (6 GBps) and it is large enough to hold all your programs. It will speed up boot and program access times.

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raphoenix
raphoenix
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@LF,

Actually this model MB is the most versatile and upgradeable in Asus Lineup.

ASUS P8Z77-V DELUXE
http://www.newegg.com/Product/.....6813131818

Asus knows this so that's why they keep the price a bit high.

In past years, Asus would have priced a comparable model MB at around $225 - $230.

I have one and can run 24/7 at 4.8GHz using ALL SSDs with a $60 CPU Cooler.

In fact you can run the On-board HD 4000 Video and not even have a video card
if one is not into really heavy duty gaming.

Rick P.

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fredfig
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Rick P. -
Thanks for the response.
I have no particular need that I can see for the older PCI slot. This particular mobo does have on-board video (good as a backup if the card goes bad, which I do not have that backup now) and it has a PS2 port for my existing keyboard (which I like). I guess what you are saying is that why have the PCI slot when it is basically a dinosaur slot?
-Fred

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LadyFitzgerald
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You'll get no arguments from me, Rick. Once I get around to building the beast, I was counting on using the onboard graphics to set it up and use until I'm ready for multiple monitors (right now, I don't have room). I want to set it up bare bones (MOBO, SSD, RAM) so, if I have problems setting it up (knowing my luck, I will; I'm part Irish so Murphy's misbegotten law counts triple), there will be fewer components to check.

The reason I'm drooling over the Premium is I'll eventually need a graphics card and a SATA controller card. A graphics card that will handle the number of monitors I'll be adding (three independent monitors with two TVS cloned to the third monitor) requires a PCI-E x16 slot. I'll also eventually need a SATA controller card; I'm looking seriously at the StarTech PEXSAT34 to give me the additional SATA ports I'll need (1 optical drive, 1 SSD, and up to 6 HDDs; I'll add HDDs as I need them). It could fit into the PCI-E 2.0 x16 (x4 mode) on the Deluxe but I'm concerned that it will interfere with the audio front panel connectors and the USB headers. I would also like to keep that slot clear should I ever want to add a Thunderbolt card. But, if I move the controller card to the other PCI-E x16 slot, both will revert to only 8 lanes and that would, at the very least, hamstring the Vid card, if not shut it down. The Premium board has four PCI-E x16 slots that stay at x16, even if all four slots are used. It also has Thunderbolt already onboard so I don't have to worry about saving a slot (ironic, isn't it?). The extra two SATA 3.0 ports will also be welcome; the extra 200 shekel shell out will not. Sigh!

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raphoenix
raphoenix
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Fred,

Yes on the dinosaur PCI Slots PLUS the old dinosaur PS2 Port too. (LOL) :)

As I posted above, this model Asus MB is the most versatile and upgradeable in the Asus 1155 Lineup.

ASUS P8Z77-V DELUXE
http://www.newegg.com/Product/.....6813131818

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fredfig
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LF-
Price is indeed a factor – I want to keep the rebuild ~$1,000. Hence, some of the component recycling and my unsure decision on the graphics card.

It does have the dinosaur PCI slot that I will probably never use. It is much like having a spare tire in your garage for a car that you used to have! It is just taking up space and you know you should just bring it to the recycling center. I also like this mobo b/c it has a legacy PS2 port for my keyboard (the keyboard is nothing special, but it is like a pair of my favorite old running shoes)

I like mustard as a condiment, but not as a sandwich. I’d probably save up for a hot dog and go hungry in the meantime…
SSD: Here is one I was looking at: http://www.newegg.com/Product/.....6820167121
I looked at several before this one; many others, even with reputable manufacturers, had many negative comments as to reliability (flakiness is a word that stands out). So I landed on Intel unless you have a suggestion.

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raphoenix
raphoenix
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I use (2) of these in Raid 0 Arrays for all my O/Ses.
OCZ Vertex 4 VTX4-25SAT3-128G 2.5" 128GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/.....6820227791

If you like Intel, use (2) CherryVille SSDs (is Newer Model)
Intel 520 Series Cherryville SSDSC2CW120A3K5 2.5" 120GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/.....6820167093

Posted 1 year ago
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fredfig
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Rick,
I think the ASUS P8Z77-V DELUXE may be a winner. Amazon has it for $264 (free shipping); New Egg = $279 (free shipping).

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raphoenix
raphoenix
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Call Newegg tomorrow and they will match price if you want to purchase everything from (1) source. :) :)

Newegg has better return policy.

Amazon is a Fine Company also however.

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fredfig
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Rick,
You are a wealth of knowledge! I did not know newegg matched prices. I'd rather get it all from one vendor. When I am ready, I'll recheck prices and do exactly as you suggest. Newegg does have a solid return policy and I have never had an issue returning anything to them.

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raphoenix
raphoenix
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logitech USB keyboard k120

Sold by the millions for under $15 at every store on earth. (LOL) (LOL)

Can't beat the price or the quality of such an inexpensive item. :) :)

Everybody needs to have at least 5 to keep the robots working. (LOL) :) :)
(Although you'll never need but one !)

Rick P.

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LadyFitzgerald
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@ fredfig. The Intel is a good choice, especially if you aren't a gamer. The size is plenty large unless you run a hundred large programs or so and the Intels have a good reputation. For a boot drive on a non-gaming rig, RAID 0 is a bit overkill, especially when running SATA III.

The Deluxe is a good board. I wouldn't worry about the legacy slots. No one says you have to use them. I suspect they are there to make the board attractive for people who have legacy cards they don't want to replace. Same with keyboards. I used the one that came with my first PC, a Gateway, for nine years, two years longer than I had the Gateway. I just didn't like the next several keyboards as well and kept going back to the Gateway.

I used to go on ketchup sandwich diets when I overspent but now I have to watch my sugar intake. Hence, mustard sandwiches (often without the bread).

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raphoenix
raphoenix
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@LF,

The Deluxe Model MB has NO legacy PCI Slots. Look again. :)

AND Raid 0 Arrays are NOT over kill by any means.

Gives one twice the the capacity plus almost twice the R/W speed of a single SSD.

Rick P.

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LadyFitzgerald
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Just bought a Logitech G110 (It's setting at my mail service waiting for me to pick it up). It's a gaming board and I'm not a gamer but I got it for the illuminated keys that shouldn't have the letters wearing off. The programable keys should be useful, though.

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raphoenix
raphoenix
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Buy a logitech USB keyboard k120 for $12 bucks at Wal-Mart. (LOL) :) :)

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LadyFitzgerald
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@ Rick P. You're right about the slots. I was mixing up boards (old age sucks!). Sorry.

Granted, the RAID 0 you proposed is faster with twice the capacity but just a single SSD is so fast, cutting the speed in half isn't really gaining all that much. With RAID 0, if one drive goes south, they are both down, which also means that the chances of failure goes up. The gains for a non-gamer don't really justify the added compexity, expense, and risk, especially if one is on a budget. A RAID also complicates backups.

Nothing wrong with the k120 other than the decals on the keys. I wear those off fairly quickly and I need them.

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raphoenix
raphoenix
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NO, NO, SSDs do not fail like mechanical hard drives so Raid 0 is now OK.

As for Backup, one can always image the Raid 0 array just like a Single drive.
NO Difference at all. :) :)
You can always restore the image back to a non-array SSD if you wish.

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LadyFitzgerald
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Ok, points taken.

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