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raphoenix
raphoenix
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All,

Again, The choice of which Anti-Virus Program you prefer to use is up to you.

Just Do Not Run it in a Real Time Configuration.

Use it as a maintenance tool and run the program manually after a secession.

This way, you keep your machine clean and don't load up (slow down) the machine by continuously checking uselessly every time you manipulate files, etc., etc..

Also, the only real way to ensure you get rid of any virus is to boot from another independent O/S and check EVERY file plus the Drive Tables on the hard drive you are cleaning.

As always, the way you run your individual equipment is entirely up to you and your comfort level.

Regards,
Rick P.

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wallaceb
wallaceb
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my favorite anti virus is trend micro PC Cillin

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whs
whs
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Rick, I have seen you express concern about run-time security suites a few times.I have not made any negative experience with Norton, Kaspersky and even McAfee (of which I still have 3 free subscriptions - but I do not really like it). It is often said that they are resource hogs - but what resources. Disk?-minimal, CPU?-very minimal, memory?- maybe a little, but who cares - it's all paid for. Where do you see the problem? Your approach requires a lot of discipline. I would not trust even myself to follow-up on a regular basis.

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raphoenix
raphoenix
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@whs,

I never said that AVs were resources hogs.

What I was trying to convey is that they slow the action of the machine down by checking (uselessly in most cases) normal file operations like opening and changes of Word, Excel, most *.exes, etc., etc. and other files on the system if used in REAL TIME.

I recommend ALWAYS using a GOOD AV but to do so in Manual Mode to perform routine machine maintenance just as one routinely checks for Spyware, Defrags HDs, Backs Up Critical Data, etc., etc...

My approach does take and require much discipline but is aimed at knowledgeable computer users.

When I setup machines for others, I always take their level of computer knowledge into account and most of the time, setup their machines up for Automatic Operation as they will not know the difference anyway and it protects them from themselves.

Remember, when I speak to you and other "old timers", I know I am speaking with knowledgeable computer folks.

When I speak to "newbies", my advice would be and is entirely different in most cases.

I hope you wouldn't think I would tell a child to run their computer the way I run my systems. That would be pure folly.

I hope you better understand now what I posted on (some) threads and why.

Kindest Regards,
Rick P.

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whs
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Understand. Yes, you never said AVs are resource hogs (others say that). But when you say "they slow the action of the machine down", that's kind of the same thing. I am actually glad when my CPU has something to do. 90% of the time it hovers between 1 and 2% utilization and 98% of what I paid for is not being used - lol. I actually like things all automated and I hardly ever run maintenance programs by hand (once in a while CCleaner). I guess in that regard I am a newbee or a very, very oldtimer. It probably has to do with our backgrounds. You come from a "hands-on" job, I come from a "delegate as much as possible" job.

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raphoenix
raphoenix
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@whs,

Just a little bit wrong but you wouldn't know because it because it is not in my Profile.

Before Founding Phoenix Engineering Corp, I was a Plant Manager for Exide and GE Corporations so with +2000 employees per industrial facility, I delegated most everything (LOL) (LOL). When I owned Phoenix, most everything was delegated to sub-contractors and employees also. Have had a very full life but now my time grows short.

Regards,
Rick P.

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BobJam
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Hey Rick,

While I agree that an AV program run in real time mode might impede system performance OFF LINE, I would definitely run one in real time mode when ON LINE, performance impeded or not. A performance hit is a small trade off when compared to trying to remove malware AFTER the fact.

But, YES, the likelihood of detecting a virus doing simple file management operations by running it in real time when OFF LINE is pretty slim and useless, especially if you run the AV program in real time when ON LINE. I DO agree with your scheme of doing a maintenance scan periodically when OFF LINE.

But if you don't run in real time when ON LINE, then you would have to run maintenance scans everytime, not just periodically, after you got OFF LINE, and it would be like closing the barn door after the horse got out.

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raphoenix
raphoenix
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@Bob,

I respect your point however remember, you are not going to get a Virus unless you actually download something into your machine withstanding you run with the ports closed on your router, etc...

That being said, you must also set the the security level of your machine so that Active X controls and other code cannot get into the machine by just browsing. (Words such as "sandbox, Virual, etc... are always thrown about)

This subject can get really technical fast and I am in know way an expert in "hacking" so as I also say; it is up to the individual, their computing expertize and their comfort level as to how they run their own systems (OF COURSE) Excluding Children and the Impaired.

Regards,
Rick P.

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ScottW
ScottW
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I'm really enjoying this discussion, though I haven't been contributing much. Here is an article that supports the idea that AV software is the worst kind for slowing down your boot time, CPU usage, and disk I/O:
http://www.thepcspy.com/read/w.....ows_down/4

Page 4 has the lists of worst offenders and page 5 has the numbers. Pages 1 and 2 explain how the testing was conducted. Keep in mind that this article is over a year old and most of this software has been upgraded. Still, I think it's unlikely that AV software, as a class, have changed in this regard.

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BobJam
BobJam
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Hey Rick,

Don't mean to carry this on as an "argument" (indeed I think we agree on some of the issue), but it gets back to what you said about novices versus veterans. For novices, I do think that running a real time scan while they're on line is appropriate, especially since they're prone to clicking indiscriminately. For example, a lot of novices think that whitehouse.com is the Whitehouse site. Whitehouse.com is a porno site (with the usual malware that will infect a machine with scripts just by clicking on a link), whitehouse.GOV is the actual Whitehouse site.

Even experienced users, and I consider myself an intermediate, run with a real time AV scan . . . I myself do. Nevertheless, your points about downloading (which novices also do indiscriminately) and Active X are valid . . . it's just that I don't think a novice does what you say about Active X, plus real time AV for experienced users is just another thing that may enhance security.

Ultimately, though, I agree with your point about comfort level.

ScottW,

Haven't read that article yet, but it sounds like it's stating the obvious: most AV programs slow things down. But IMHO a performance hit is a small price to pay for the essential security of an AV program. Now I'm sure Norton and McAfee are two of the biggest performance hitters, and AVG and Avast have secured a rep for being easy on resources. However, if you look at my post on page 1 of this thread, you'll see that I use, and have used for the past 15 years, McAfee. Had I ever noticed an unbearable performance hit with McAfee, I would have long since switched . . . but I haven't. That's not to say that on a lot of systems McAfee doesn't make an unbearable performance hit. I'm sure it does . . . but it never has on mine. Plus, I tend to agree with whs . . . what else would your CPU be doing?

Now I know this is heresy for gamers, where the CPU has to work heavily . . . so if I was a gamer, I likely would have an AV program that is easier on the CPU than McAfee.

Which brings me to another conclusion. Your choice of AV program depends in part on the primary use of the system.

BJ

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ScottW
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Bob, there's no porn at whitehouse.com and no infections, as far as I know. :-)

I agree that the experience of the user is the best indicator of whether to run real-time AV software. It is the height of geekiness to run without a real-time scanner. Which one is a matter of preference. As whs said, at least pick one from the top 10. Anyone who wants to do more research can learn about detection rates, false positives, and resource usage, then decide what's best to them.

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whs
whs
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http://whitehouse.com/ - that's what I saw. Is that porn? lol

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Lighthouse
Lighthouse
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There did (and may still exist) used to be a porn site called "Whitehouse". The reason being, that one of the most fervent anti porn/violence on TV etc, protesters a few years ago was Mary Whitehouse. This was in the UK.

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raphoenix
raphoenix
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All,

@ScottW, Thanks for the "Height of Geekness" Compliment !!

It goes well with the picture of "My Build" (LOL) (LOL).

Me and ScottW Agree on so many issues that one probably thinks we both deployed our systems using (Sysprep and Cloning).

If members are not familiar with those terms, look them one up (LOL) (LOL).

Kindest Regards :-)) :-))
Rick P.

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BobJam
BobJam
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Hey LH,

Thanks for that explanation on Whitehous.com. I think the same thing must've happened here in the U.S. It is not porn now (I was reluctant to check it until whs posted the link). Yes, it used to be porn here also.

Hey ScottW and whs,

You guys are pretty "brave" if you entered whitehouse.com. That's a url that I've always stayed away from ever since I found out it WAS a porn/malware site (Yes, it no longer is). Some years ago, a friend of mine went to it and got persistant porn pop-ups and his homepage was hijacked after that too (I can't remember the name of the virus . . . I think it was a rootkit thing because it embedded itself deep in the registry). I do think I remember that he had Norton and it got past it.

Hey ScottW,

Nice turn of the phrase "height of geekiness". Apparently I'm not there yet because I still run the real time scanner.

Hey Rick,

Are you trying to code in quote marks?? The reason I ask is because I noticed that in all your posts, there are parenthesis around what I think would be quotes (example in this post: Sysprep and Cloning . . . I'm not talking about the LOL's or the smileys). I know you are fond of "correct coding".

BJ

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billbonza
billbonza
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My son in law is a programer for ??????? (i wont mention their game titles for fear of spam accusations) the studio use AVG. Yes, the free version. Nuff said.

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