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  • Started 5 years ago by haydosrulz
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haydosrulz
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ScottW
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CPU - hot! and I mean the temperature. The 90nm fab process makes for a hot, power-hungry chip. L2 cache is small for my taste.
Motherboard - I have never heard of ASRock, but all of the specifications seem reasonable.
GPU - integrated graphics are notoriously slower than a PCI-E x16 graphics adapter. Shared memory means stolen from the OS.
Memory - Corsair is a good name. CL5 seems a little high to me for middle speed DDR2.
Monitor - not my area. I did not see the refresh rate, but it will need to be fast (low ms number) for gaming
HDD - I've heard good buzz about the Samsung Spinpoints, but never had one myself. Love the 32MB cache!
Case - Antec is a good name, but this Titan is odd. Only one exhaust fan? I'm not sure that is enough cooling.
DVD-RW - Pioneer is a good name, SATA good, you can't hardly go wrong with this.
CPU Cooler - there was none! How will you cool that 90nm Athlon64 X2? I don't like the idea of a stock cooler and a case with only one fan.

Good for games? Some. The CPU is quite powerful, but the GPU will always be the bottleneck being integrated and having no dedicated VRAM. Add a PCI-E x16 graphics card and the gaming performance will come up. Yes, and the price too.

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haydosrulz
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what about this combo (sorry i have changed to intel)

http://www.skycomp.com.au/product.aspx?id=98086
http://www.skycomp.com.au/product.aspx?id=121429
http://www.skycomp.com.au/product.aspx?id=44640
http://www.skycomp.com.au/product.aspx?id=102293
http://www.skycomp.com.au/product.aspx?id=61520
http://www.skycomp.com.au/product.aspx?id=96765
http://www.skycomp.com.au/product.aspx?id=144363

Do i need to bother with a audio card straight away as i am on small budget and already exceeding it? ScottW said that the case is old and the fan wont do.What is a good cheap case, preferably with a cooler so i dont have to buy something else? do these all work together well? am i buying something that costs more than it should?

P.S. All Prices are in AUD$ so are a bit higher than AMD$

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ScottW
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Haydosrulz, well you have changed the game now, not that I mind. The Intel Core2 architecture is powerful, competitively priced and, with a 45nm fab process, runs cool and uses less power.

* CPU -- good clock speed, 45nm -- this will be *much* cooler than the Athlon
* Motherboard -- this is a step up with even better specs than the previous one. Note that the second PCI-E slot is x4, not x16.
* GPU -- wow! This is really a step up. The Radeon HD 4850 is a very powerful GPU and with 1 GB of it's own memory, it won't slow you down. Good for gaming.
* Memory -- Kingston is also a good name, maybe CL5 is good and I'm just out of touch.
* HDD -- WD Caviar I have experience with. They are noisy and no speed demons. A Seagate Barracuda is no faster, but makes less noise. The Samsung Spinpoint may have been a better choice, but I still don't have first-hand experience with Samsungs.
* DVD-RW -- still can't go wrong with a name brand drive.
* CPU Cooler -- the Intel retail CPUs come with a stock cooler that is good enough, if you are not overclocking. Also, since we are talking about cooling a 45nm CPU, heat is no longer a concern as it was with the Athlon.
* Case -- I'm still not liking the Titan. One thing that I noticed is it says "server" case, whatever that means. Take a look at the Antec three, nine, and twelve hundred. The Nine Hundred would be ideal for this build having plenty of cooling, but not too much. Of course, it doesn't come with a built-in power supply.

You don't need an audio card because that motherboard comes with a Realtek HD Audio chip that can handle up to 7.1 channels of sound.

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haydosrulz
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thanks for the help

i hink i shall do what u say

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haydosrulz
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if i can afford the 1200 antec case over the 900 should i get it

btw im thinking about this power supply http://www.skycomp.com.au/product.aspx?id=30279

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haydosrulz
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I have changed these parts like said

Hdd - http://www.mwave.com.au/newAU/.....u=22040155
Motherboard - http://www.skycomp.com.au/product.aspx?id=107659 (i dont see a audio chip? is there? if there is is it good?)

And with the changes of the last post of the case and a power supply

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ScottW
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The Antec Twelve Hundred is a bit of overkill for the system as it is now. However, if you should ever add a second graphics adapter or more hard drives, you might need more cooling. So, I would say that getting the Antec Twelve Hundred would be future-proofing and that's your call.

Oops! There is a problem that I didn't notice before. You have a DDR3 motherboard but DDR2 DIMMs. These will not mix. You either need a DDR2 motherboard and keep the DIMMs you have or go to DDR3 memory DIMMs. DDR3 is faster, but has higher latency and is more expensive. You don't need DDR3 and using high speed, low latency DDR2 will give you excellent performance and save some money.

Asus is a well respected name in motherboards and a personal favorite of mine. That board does have and audio chip, where it says:
"ADIĀ® AD2000B 8-channel High Definition Audio CODEC". You want a motherboard with High Definition Audio or HD Audio which is a current industry specification.

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ScottW
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Oops, there is another problem! The power supply you are showing has a large 120mm fan, but it is on the top (or bottom, if you flip it). The case has a mounting for the PSU to exhaust out the back. If you were to put these together, the PSU fan would be taking air from inside the case and blowing it into the case! This is not good. I would suggest that you find a PSU with the rear exhaust and a 80+ efficiency rating. The Nine and Twelve hundred cases have plenty of exhaust on the top and rear to keep it all cool.

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haydosrulz
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haha how many mistakes can i make?

I decided that i will get the upgrade for ram not mobo so http://www.skycomp.com.au/product.aspx?id=107208

Will get the antec 1200 for 'future proofing'

thx for the help with the sound area

Wow i cant believe that u can make such a big problem by just buying a power supply (lol) i think (and hope) that this'll do http://www.skycomp.com.au/product.aspx?id=92127

thx again

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haydosrulz
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sorry to be adding another Q but i just read that the recommended dvd drive was to get a dvd burner but i dont think the one i have chosen is? is it?

btw to use cd's do i have to buy a cd drive or do they still work on a dvd burner?

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ScottW
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It's better to make mistakes here while asking for feedback, than to get all those parts and find they don't work together. That new PSU that you have linked to still has a 120mm fan mounted on top/bottom -- not good. Also, the efficiency rating says "up to 85%", but you want one that is a minimum 80% or higher. There is a certification for this called 80plus which has a little logo, a rounded square with big "80" in it. Here's an example of the same brand from the same store with the 80+ cert. and the 80mm rear exhaust fan at the back:
http://www.skycomp.com.au/product.aspx?id=42401

The DVD drive that you have picked out is a writer. The category it is under is "CD/DVD burners" and the description says "Super Multi DVD Writer". A DVD writer will also burn CDs.

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haydosrulz
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ok that sounds good but i upgraded to 650w same Earthwatts power supply and just to make sure searched up in multiple websites to check that it is rear exhaust and it was. http://www.skycomp.com.au/product.aspx?id=102300

oh... is that why i couldnt find them... i am such an idiot. here we go http://www.skycomp.com.au/product.aspx?id=108268 (fingers crossed)

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ScottW
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Haydosrulz, sorry, but I made a mistake too. Those power supplies with the 120mm fan on top (or bottom) do indeed exhaust out the back. Those 120mm fans are *intakes* that draw in case air and force it out through the back of the PSU. My bad, I was confused and I hope I didn't confuse you too much. The Earthwatts 650 looks like a fine choice.

I see your latest DVD writer is a little cheaper, but I did like the features of the Pioneer with the quiet operation and anti-dust mechanism. Of course, it's your build and your choice.

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haydosrulz
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haha dont worry i would have bought the first products and had a bad machine which wouldve been a HUGE waste of money if you hadnt helped. Thanks.

One Last Q; when buying windows vista home premium everyone says that the 32bit version doesnt read over 3gig of ram so u have to specifically buy 64bit, which all of this i understand, but when you see it at shops or on the shops website it does not specify whether it is 32 or 64bit? is this just an option you get when installing vista? please inform me.

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whs
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32bit Vista and 64bit Vista are two different operating systems. You have to buy the one or the other. It is NOT an installation option. When you go to a website or a store, it should definitely say what it is. Note that not all programs that run on 32bit will also have 64bit versions. This is a little inconvenience with the 64bit system.

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haydosrulz
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ok thx

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JonMCC33
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@whs
Actually, they are the same OS. One is just 32-bit and the other is 64-bit. Otherwise, completely identical in every way, shape and form.

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ScottW
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@Haydosrulz, that was the last question? Aww, and I missed it. :-)

It looks to me as if Skycomp is very clear on which is 32 and which is 64-bit:
http://www.skycomp.com.au/category.aspx?id=235

Also, don't forget that there is a difference between OEM and Retail versions.

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haydosrulz
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wat is the diff between oem and retail?

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