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Is 'Site Advisor' still good?

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  • Started 11 months ago by cygpup
  • Latest reply from misdaroc
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cygpup
Posts: 42

I updated my McAfee Site Advisor to the latest version # 2.8.0.304 and was surprised to
find that they now install their own 'search box' (isn't that called bloatware?). In
addition they now 'urge' that Yahoo be made the default home page for Internet Explorer. They
also now 'urge' the use of Yahoo Search as the default search engine.

Is there now a link between the McAfee Site Advisor and Yahoo? Will they continue to be
as impartial as they had been - or - have they been compromised by Yahoo??

Are there any other alternatives to McAfee Site Advisor??
Thank you for any and all comments.

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0zSpitt
0zSpitt
Posts: 1037

in firefox i use WOT. it doesn't constantly run in the back ground or want to update everytime you log on.

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thegeek
The Geek
Posts: 1887

I'm sure that McAfee has made a profit sharing agreement with Yahoo, which is why they are pushing the toolbar. Same thing as Firefox using Google as the default search engine - Mozilla gets paid millions by google to have them as the default.

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cygpup
Posts: 42

Thank you for the information. Does anyone know of an alternative for the Site Acvisor
in IE7?

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BobJam
BobJam
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Yes, WOT has an add on for IE7. But like OzSpitt, I use Firefox and WOT . . . but again, WOT has an IE7 version (see this FAQ on the WOT support page).

To download the IE7 version, go here.

SA uses an automated system, while WOT depends on user ratings. Both have advantages and disadvantages, consequently some people use both together (they don't conflict).

It's much like using two spyware programs, like Spybot S&D and Adaware . . . what one doesn't catch the other will. The hazard to that is that when the two drastically rate a site differently (and that DOES happen), then it takes a little detective work for you to figure out if the site is safe. But when they both rate a site red (which happens more often than not), then that's definitely a good indication that it's REALLY unsafe.

Personally, I just use WOT but I have used SA in the past.

Here's a sample of a safe site rated by WOT (the green donuts):

And here's a sample of some sites not rated so kindly:

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Spacegold
Spacegold
Posts: 594

Both of these programs need to be taken with a huge dose of salt. Both are subject to highly subjective, if not corrupt, input from anyone at any time. I just installed WOT to see if it was any better than SA. After checking it out, I promptly uninstalled it as nearly useless.

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0zSpitt
0zSpitt
Posts: 1037

yeah, as useless as vista business and avast ; )

postusalinklil'jonny

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BobJam
BobJam
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Yes, neither is "perfect", but then nothing is 100% right. However, both are in the 90% range. And even if you lower that accuracy, to something like 50%, that's a heck of a lot better than nothing at all.

These are just another layer in your security mechanisms. They are not absolutes, they are guidelines. But as always, the final judgment in protecting against phishing, forged Web pages, downloading malware, and other threats is the technology located between the user's ears. The best anti-virus is common sense . . . it can be updated daily!

And if you disagree with a particular rating, you can always do the detective work yourself.

And as far as "highly subjective, if not corrupt, input from anyone at any time" . . . I don't know about SA, but WOT has a sophisticated algorithm that gives less weight to a new rater.

For example, if you've only rated a few sites, your ratings won't be weighted as heavily in the overall ratings as those of more experienced users.

And another thing that algorithm does is eliminate fraudulent raters. For example, if you consistently rate sites just the opposite of what the more experienced users rate it, the algorithm flags your ratings for the WOT staff to contact you and ask for your comments on those ratings. Mind you, that doesn't necessarily eliminate your ratings, it just flags them for a query.

I've seen malicious site owners rate a site green when everybody else is rating it red, and they get "caught"

Likewise, I've seen an individual rate a site red when everybody else is rating it green. A public query (on the WOT forum) usually reveals that either that rater was a novice, or else the rater delved deeper than most and found something malicious (in which case even the experienced users go back and look at the site again).

As I said, the system is certainly not "perfect", but it's a heck of a lot better than nothing at all. And again, it's not an absolute, but rather a guideline that the user can make a judgment on.

Curious, Spacegold, what method(s) did you use to "check it out"? Not questioning the credibility of it, or otherwise taking an abrasive tone, but am really curious about how you arrived at your conclusion. Your comment that "I promptly uninstalled it as nearly useless" is rather vague. Can you give some specifics for users (myself included) to consider?

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BobJam
BobJam
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Spacegold,

Specifics (examples) is what I'm looking for, and not just an example of a site rated incorrectly (which can be found in both systems and is not an indicator of overall accuracy, unless these examples show more than 50% rated incorrectly . . . and I don't think there's enough room in this forum for that, let alone your patience to do it). I'm not opposed to viewing these things as "useless", but I can't reach that conclusion without knowing what your method was to reach your conclusion. Please expand . . . I'm always open to the other side of a reasonable argument. I'd like to hear it.

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Spacegold
Spacegold
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The thing that most turned me off was the vagueness of the WOT rating categories and what I considered the very low likelihood that most users would be able to render an informed objective judgment on which to base a rating. I am an experienced user (and was once a registered rater for SA) and I know I could not do it in any meaningful way. Sure, anyone can rate a porn site as unsuitable for children, but there is simply no meaningful way to measure the other criteria. The easy thing to do is just rate them all green, pretending you know what you are doing. I quit SA when I could not get them to expunge a highly dangerous rating on the site of a guy whose legitimate business was suffering from a mistaken negative rating. Both of these programs can be very misleading to the vast majority of users who accept their ratings at face value. While many of their ratings may be well taken, their victims have no recourse.

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BobJam
BobJam
Posts: 878

Hey Spacegold,

Thanks for the response.

Your "but there is simply no meaningful way to measure the other criteria. The easy thing to do is just rate them all green" implies that ALL categories, "Trustworthiness", "Vendor Reliability", "Privacy" and "Child Safety" MUST be rated for a site. Not so. A user can just give a rating for one category and not the rest.

That very question actually came up in the WOT forum. A user was rating a site that didn't "sell" anything, hence the user had "no meaningful way to measure" the "Vendor Reliability" category. And the answer was, as I said, it is NOT compulsory to rate ALL categories.

And as far as "their victims have no recourse" . . . well, while I might say the "appeals" process is slow, there is one for both systems, so the "victims" DO have some recourse . . . as frustrating and as difficult as that may be.

And as far as the "vagueness of the WOT rating categories", the WOT support page lists definitions:

"The first component reflects the overall trustworthiness of the site: Can it be trusted? Is it safe to use? Does it deliver what it promises? A poor rating may indicate Internet scams, identity theft risks, credit card fraud, phishing, lottery scams, viruses, adware, or spyware. A rating of "unsatisfactory" indicates that the site may contain annoying advertisements, excessive pop-ups, or content that makes your browser crash.

Vendor reliability tells you whether the site is safe for buying and selling, or for business transactions in general. A "poor" rating indicates possible fraud or a bad shopping experience.

Privacy tells you whether you can trust the site owner, safely supply your email address, and download files. A "poor" rating indicates spam, adware, or spyware.

Child safety is a component indicating whether the site contains age-inappropriate material of a sexual, hateful, or violent nature, or content that encourages dangerous or illegal activities."

Thanks for the lively discussion.

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CPJames19
Posts: 96

Hey Evry1,
Linkscanner Lite is very gd. Recently AVG bought this App bt u can still download it seperate to their AV App. To read abt it click here

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cygpup
Posts: 42

Thank you very much ---- I will look into the WOT. I hesitate about the linkscanner - lite
because of their privacy policy.

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misdaroc
misdaroc
Posts: 90

I find the secure search box a waste of space.i want to disable it.after searching the net i found this solution

Click the DOWN ARROW next to the "McAfee SiteAdvisor" indicator that you are used to seeing, then click "Search Settings...", then DISABLE "Enable SECURE Search (requires browser restart)".

the problem is i dont see"search settings" anywhere.can someone show me where to find this?

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