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[Solved] Harddrive Space

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  • Started 7 months ago by jimnguyen0227
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jimnguyen0227
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Hi all new to forum,

I just recently purchased a sony vaio laptop. First thing i did was uninstalled all of the bloatware, I am still confused as to why my hard drive is so over crowded. I barely installed any programs: aim, anti virus, etc. I have a 250gig hd and it shows that 59gigs have already been taken up. I have no clue where all these gigs are at.

I did a little adding up it and still doesn't make any sense,

program files - 4gigs
windows - approx 20gigs

and that is bretty much where the big volume of gigs are at, i even showed hidden files to see if maybe there where big files hidden somewhere in the harddrive but no luck. Please help i have 35gb of space hidden somewhere. I have a laptop can't afford to give up hd space.

FYI - everytime i i do a defrag on my computer i seem to lose space rather then free them up. I have done 2 defrags already the first time i lost 5gigs and the last time i lost 3gigs. Whats going on?

sony vaio laptop
2.0 intel centrino duo proccessor
250gb hardrive
4gig ram
windows vista 64bit

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cyberghost
cyberghost
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Do a disk clean.

You can start Disk Cleanup, by doing any of the following:
Click Start, and then click Run. In the Open box, type cleanmgr, and then click OK.

-or-
Click Start, point to All Programs, point to Accessories, point to System Tools, and then click Disk Cleanup.

-or-
In Windows Explorer or My Computer, right-click the disk in which you want to free up space, click Properties, click the General tab, and then click Disk Cleanup.

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jimnguyen0227
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did, just that only gained 4.5mb i need 35gigs!!! Somethings gotta be taking up that much space, i just cant find out why. Also note that i did not do a clean install of vista, this is out of the box windows but i uninstalled all of the bloatware

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madmacs
madmacs
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hi jimnguyen0227, welcome to HTG. My guess is that the shadow storage/copy within Vista is taking up a lot of space. Have a look here. Also search within this website for shadowcopy for some more answers!! If you still have open questions, post back, Matt

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cyberghost
cyberghost
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Did check your hard drive for errors
here this is how you can do that
You can help solve some computer problems and improve the performance of your computer by making sure that your hard disk has no errors.

1. Open Computer by clicking the Start button , and then clicking Computer.

2. Right-click the hard disk drive that you want to check, and then click Properties.

3. Click the Tools tab, and then, under Error-checking, click Check Now. If you are prompted for an administrator password or confirmation, type the password or provide confirmation.

To automatically repair problems with files and folders that the scan detects, select Automatically fix file system errors. Otherwise, the disk check will simply report problems but not fix them.

To perform a thorough disk check, select Scan for and attempt recovery of bad sectors. This scan attempts to find and repair physical errors on the hard disk itself, and it can take much longer to complete.

To check for both file errors and physical errors, select both Automatically fix file system errors and Scan for and attempt recovery of bad sectors.

4. Click Start.

Depending upon the size of your hard disk, this may take several minutes. For best results, don't use your computer for any other tasks while it's checking for errors.

NoteIf you select Automatically fix file system errors for a disk that is in use (for example, the partition that contains Windows), you'll be prompted to reschedule the disk check for the next time you restart your computer.

I hate that when computer company do that it all useless software. I just wish they would just install the o/s and leave it at that.
Do you have access to a windows vista 64bit dvd disc. then for the key use the one that is on the bottom of your new notebook computer. That way you can do a clean install that what I would do. or it could be the shadow storage-copy within Vista is taking up a lot of space if you do change the shadow storage I would set it to 3gb and winodws vista should be happy with it.
hope this helps.

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raijin
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I'm going to go with madmacs. Your computer probably has a lot of restore points taking up space. If you want them all gone, and to recover a little bit of space, then go to system restore(just type in "system restore" in the search box when you click on the windows start thingy and click on it) and disable it. Vista will guide you on how to disable it. If you do this though and your computer crashes and cannot start up again, you will have to re-install Vista.

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Budohorseman
Budohorseman
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Also, I assume that your laptop came with no software. If that is the case, odds are it came with instructions on how to make some restore disks with CD's or DVD's in the event you need to restore your laptop to a like new condition. Those files can take up a pretty good amount of space (my wife's took two DVD's, nearly 14GB in all). I am not sure if Sony removes those files once the recovery disks are made.

There is an older program called WinDirStat that gives you a graphical representation of file sizes that may give you some assistance in tracking down some of your larger files.

By selecting a rectangle, it will show you all the info on the file, its size (bigger rectangles are bigger files) location, etc.

http://picasaweb.google.com/lh.....directlink

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whs
whs
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This is probably an increase of your allocated shadowstorage. With each install and uninstall, Vista writes a shadow (restore point) of about 1GB - plus one is written each day. For that purpose Vista reserves 15% of your OS disk partition and allocates/uses it as needed.
Find Command Prompt (in All Programs > Accessories > Command Prompt), right click on it and Open as Administrator. Into the little black window type VSSADMIN LIST SHADOWSTORAGE and hit ENTER. It will show 3 numbers:
Allocated - that is the amount that it has grabbed from your OS partition at this time
Used - this is the amount currently used
Maximum - this is the ultimate amount it will allocate and use
Once you reach "maximum", it will reuse the space deleting the oldest shadows for the storage of the newest shadows. With e.g. an appr. 200Gb of OS partition you should expect a maximum of 30GBs that are reserved for the system and that you cannot use. If your OS partition is larger or smaller, the shadowstorage will be accordingly (always 15% max.) But the restore points (shadows) are required the day you need to do a system restore.
If you want to know more about the usefulness of shadowstorage, watch this little tutorial that I made for the purpose.

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jimnguyen0227
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i did the check harddrive for errors acouple of days into getting the computer. So i'm pretty sure its not that. I went to command prompt and did what you told whs, my 3 numbers are:

used shadow copy storage space: 33.922 gb
allocate shadow copy storage space: 35.907 gb
maximum shadow copy storage space: 33.417 gb

does this mean it is reserving somewhere around 30gb of space for the shadowing? Can i disable that and gain more space on the hd or should i not even bother with it? Thanks

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ian2
ian2
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there are differences of opinion on how much space you should allow for shadow copy storage ,but if one were to deem suitable 1 gig a day and a week of backups all that was necessary then you would need to use 7.5gigs of hard drive space...Personally I have in the past always noticed if something was wrong in less than one week...As long as you back up your important documents and data on a regular basis then you can lower your shadow storage space to 7.5 %...I would also suggest moving your documents folder to a separate partition from your Operating System partition.
Your backups should be to a removable media or an online storage service...
If you need more info let me/us know..

Moving the documents folder and your important data to a different partition allows one to reinstall the OS and not lose your data...But still you should have it backed up!!!

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whs
whs
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My opinion is that you can never have enough shadowstorage. Sometimes you only discover a couple of weeks later that you caught a problem and being able to reset to a shadow is comforting. Depending on the amount of downloads or updates, a minimum per week should be 10 to 20GB. I keep 30GB, but I also do weekly imaging with Norton Ghost - so for me it is only for the in between Ghost images. You have 34Gb allocated right now (btw: your maximum number is wrong - you must have made a typo. max cannot be less than allocated). And if you watched my tutorial video, you will understand that the shadows are also useful for recovering files.
There are ways to reduce the shadowstorage, but I would not recommend that until you really run into space problems - and you are far from that. So I think you found the missing GBs. Can we consider that problem solved?

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jimnguyen0227
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i still like to no how to reduce my shadow space, and no i didn't make a typo, i thought that was odd to. Can you please tell me how i can reduce my shadow space. How about not 7gigs like ian2 said, and not 30gigs like you said. I'll met in the middle with 15gigs. I usually will no if something is wrong within the first week to. I am constantly on my computer and obsess about it running perfectly.

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whs
whs
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http://www.downloadsquad.com/2.....m-restore/

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cyberghost
cyberghost
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Go here this is the link to reduce your shadow space
http://www.howtogeek.com/howto.....-in-vista/

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jimnguyen0227
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BIG THANKS!!! Doing the hard disk error check i got 5 gigs back, and setting my shadow space to 15gigs instead of 30, this thread got me back 20gigs of precious space on my laptop. Owe you guys big, THANKS AGAIN!!!

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cyberghost
cyberghost
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you are welcome but if you set the shadow space to 10gb you should get more free space.
after you check your hard drive for errors did you ran the hard drive clean up again.
also run defrag on your hard drive as well reboot your computer and run the hard drive clean up one more time to make sure you got rid of any old files and stuff okay.

Just a note and you might all ready know this

That windows vista is a system hog
hard drive hog
memory hog
and so on.
just to let you know i'm not going to be using windows 7 at all. I'm going to skp it just like I did with windows 98SE and winodws me. I think windows 7 should be call windows vista SE.
hope everything go well since you got 20 gb back :=D

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whs
whs
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Jim, one last piece of advice. Get yourself an imaging program for backup. Read this thread for details.

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