A PM Feature?(41 posts)
@Lighthouse - Are you saying that the (much needed)features and improvements I suggested will make the forums look like a circus? If implemented well, they'll only make the forum better, not degrade it.
@vistamike - How did respect get into the equation? I have a fair amount of respect for each and everyone of you guys and am very grateful for the kind of help I've received here - that's just not the problem here. The problem is that when I try to suggest and voice my opinions in this forum for it's betterment, you guys are supposed to listen and think and give your opinions and a discussion should happen to reach a conclusion which will be best for this community as a whole. I started this topic so that we can discuss and hopefully implement features which will give us a better forum. Instead, what Lighthouse is repeatedly doing is invoking history and saying irrelevant things like - "Then you don't know enough to be here." and replying whs(who was actually making a fair point) with things like - "I had asked you to be moderator" and then when whs replies with another good point Lighthouse just simply changes the topic itself by adding a completely off-topic remark by saying - "whs. How much to hire a top programmer for even just one hour ?".
When I am trying to suggest new changes and features to make the forum a better place, what I get in reply is stuff like this - "Then you don't know enough to be here." How else should I have replied to that? And you say I'm disrespecting. Is it just that you guys don't want change at all? And are too much ingrained into what you already know and believe that you don't even try to hear other people's opinions and new ideas? And aren't open to contradictions to your own way of thinking?
And is this how you treat a new member? Threatening him with membership-bans?
Mike, why is it that every time someone makes a suggsestion to improve the forum, you guys are getting out the big guns. Any other forum I know would pick these suggestions up and try to do something about it.
I won't quote another Windows forum because I know it will upset you guys. But have a look at this Android Forum and you get an idea of what I would call a 'modern forum'.
whs, I appreciate your comments but at the end of the day, it is Lowell who designed the site as we see it today.
On the other hand, if we were to take on every 'suggestion' then we would be in a pear-shaped situation.
I looked at your link....yikes, a jumble.
alvasrawuther, pleased to hear you found the site useful and helpful, let's keep it that way.
You are also very welcome here and your input is useful for the commonwealth but please understand the way we work.
Edit; to add, the forum is here for straightforward help and not for discussion regarding the layout.
@vistamike, I checked that link too, it doesn't look too good and clean to me either but it has a great community with a willingness to be open to new suggestions and implement them as required. If you want to have a look at a forum which has both a good amount of features and a clean interface - then have a look at Microsoft Answers.
And you don't have to take every suggestion, but you sure can promote and support the good ones.
alvasrawuther, this has been discussed so many times. I guess you haven't seen those.
I did not change the subject with whs btw. When things need changing on the site, and The Geek is maybe too busy, he has to hire in a programmer to assist. Simple as that. I could call on that programmer for a quick fix, but never liked to because of the expense involved.
Alright, you guys, behave yourselves or I'm going to turn this forum around and go back home. All seriousness aside:
@ alvasrawuther. Going up against established forum members, especially mods, is rarely a good idea (been there, done that, have the scars). It may be you aren't intending to, but, from where I sit, you are coming across antagonistic.
@ whs. You've forgotten more about computers in one day than I will ever know so I'm surprised I'm having to write this. Forums cost money to set up and operate. Bandwidth and storage isn't free. Cloud storage spaces may say they are free, but you are paying for it in some way, such as tracking, email harvesting, advertising, etc. One insidious revenue maker I've seen are photo sharing and storage sites that claim a right to use whatever is put on the site (ever carefully read the fine print?). You put a picture of your spouse on one and they can sell it to some porn site. Trust me, free is never free; someone is picking up the tab.
I'll be the first to admit that, featurewise, the HTG forums are overly simplistic. The Geek and I have privately tangled over some issues and I do not have a particularly high opinion of him but the fact is this is his website and he can do whatever he cottonpickin' feels like with it, whether we like it or not. If he wants to keep the forums simple (and low maintenance), it's his choice. If I was paying for the site, it would be a different story and there would be quite a few changes made. But I'm not paying for the site. And the simplistic design of the site in no way detracts from its usefulness (albeit it being a bit inconvenient).
If it's just a matter of having to do the coding for some of the improvements you would like to see, mayhap you could volunteer to do it for HTG. That doesn't mean that it will be accepted. It does mean, however, a long term commitment. I have a friend who recently went back to school to learn website design (including the coding). It took her a couple years to get her degree (on top of the library sciences degree she already had) and now works as an independent contractor for a web design company. We've had quite a few discussions about website design (mostly me carping about the piddle poor error trapping most website have) and I've learned enough to know how complex and time consuming it can be. That's why LH asked about the cost of of hiring a programmer (he tends to have an oblique way of making a point). Even if the Geek did the coding himself, he has to justify the time spent doing it when he could have been making money elsewhere. After all, he has to put food on the table.
The coding required to keep this forum 'simple' is anything but simple. Every feature, or lack thereof, you see is a direct result of custom coding. Want an out of box experience like other forums? Now that's simple.
Repeat, and this is the point both newcomers and vets need to remember, *every* single piece of form and function this forum has is a direct result of The Geek's vision. Have we tweaked things through the years? Yes. Are we open to further changes? Yes. Want to antagonize a mod? Bring up this subject repeatedly when you already have this information.
What we could have is a sticky to refer new members to, that might save us all a little drama :)
@Lighthouse - I don't really think that you'd have to hire a developer who'd cost as much as $500/hr for coding stuff like these.
@LadyFitzgerald - I know, I know. But changing my stance or opinion about something just because I might get banned off a forum isn't something that I'd do. Besides, it's not like I'm downright hurling abuses at them with no fair reason. All I'm doing is that I'm making my point.
A lot of services use a freemium model with no advertising whatsoever.
Sure, we the users, aren't directly paying him for his content. Yet we are. With a website as popular as HTG, he's probably making ad money in thousands of dollars. That along with cloud storage coming pretty cheap nowadays is not an excuse.
@Lighthouse - You just overblow the situation and turn hyperbolic sometimes. This isn't about running the whole website 24x7, this is about a small tweak(or improvement) to the already present code. And are you saying that will cost $500/hr? ...Anyone on this?
@Scott - I appreciate that. That's a good thing and is what seperates HTG from many other forums. What I'm saying is that the coding can be improved to add a feature or two while keeping the UI of the forum as simple as it was.
Also if by using, a third-party forum software with just a little tweaking, can get you a better(and still intuitive) forum experience, there's no point in still having the custom made forum when going third-party can get you a better experience.
@LF, I appreciate your comments and I understand what you are saying. But as I said, I will not persue the subject any further. Maybe we can pick up on it in a couple of years - as we have a couple of years ago. In the meantime we'll have to do with what we got. There are still many people that need our help. And as you know, we can always have fun in other places.
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